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Being about 2 grand in debt on graduation- how big a deal is this?

i owed the bank 2500 and the student loans about 15000 when i moved to korea. they sent bad letters to me, then some scummy guy in a cheap suit called on my parents once to try and scare them, they told him that i lived in the far east and that they weren't going to pay....

the company that bought my debt off the bank ended up telling my parents to tell me that i could pay them 1000 pounds to clear the debt and my parents made me pay it which was annoying because i reckon i could have got it down to a pound a week for the rest of my life or something but it did let me borrow another 1000 pounds off the bank :cool: which i'll pay when the currency sinks a bit more

i haven't paid back a penny of my student loan, can't see it happening tbh
 
Why so confused spring peeper? You don't think £1-2K debt when you don't have a job...and might not get a decent paying one for some time is a bad thing?

Huh?

I originally posted that my daughters had debt loads higher than that when they graduated.

upsidedownwalus pointed out that this debt didn't include student loans. I reread the op and posted.

since then, Oswaldtwistle also posted to say that I'd misunderstood.

I'm at a loss as to where I posted anything that said I was for or against student debt.
 
Spring Peeper, I'm not counting Student Loans in my debt because in the UK they are on very easy terms and only repayable when you earn over £16,000 a year. You only then repay 10% of your income over that amount.

You effectively repay based on ability to pay, not how much you owe, it's effectively a graduate tax.

It's very different here. If you borrow money from the government to go to school, you start paying it back immediately after graduation - job or no job. Everyone pays it back at the same rate.

My daughters also carried credit card debts, the government only allows $10,000 per year.

If I was to subtract student loans, they would still owe more than you.

Our tutition, books, etc must be very much higher than yours.

I wish you luck with your schooling by the way. Imo, it's worth going into debt for.
 
I don't understand
You don't understand
This is what we call a misunderstanding.
You saying that your daughters graduated with 3 times that debt sounded like you were dismissing the OP's situation and the confused face at upsidedownwalrus's comment about credit card and overdraft debt being the things that do you in, also seemed like a dismissal, as if you didn't see how that could be the case.

But yeah, a misunderstanding, maybe?

hehe or not! my debts worse than yours :D :p
 
I don't understand
You don't understand
This is what we call a misunderstanding.
You saying that your daughters graduated with 3 times that debt sounded like you were dismissing the OP's situation and the confused face at upsidedownwalrus's comment about credit card and overdraft debt being the things that do you in, also seemed like a dismissal, as if you didn't see how that could be the case.

But yeah, a misunderstanding, maybe?

hehe or not! my debts worse than yours :D :p

As long as everyone has settled down, I'll agree to anything.

Well, I think I've learned something to day. Your government gives out money to students and doesn't always get it back.

Did I get that part right?
 
im about 6k(think its a bit less) in debt from student loan and overdraft, can't say im that bothered.

i dont even regard it as real debt to be honest. Intrest payments are almost non exitsent from either of em and repaymenst on my student loan(when i finally get a fucking job) is fuck all and the intrest on my bank account is something like £2 a month.

Not that scary.


dave
Yeah, I think my student loan debt is about £7k at the moment and I'm not even halfway through yet :D But I'm not thinking about it.

I have another £1500 or so between bank loan, credit card and overdraft, and I'm flipping working nearly full time :mad:
 
i graduated 5 years ago, and have paid off a grand total of £49 of my student loan :D obviously, i have actually paid more than that but as i can only afford to pay the % that automatically comes off my wages, the rest of the repayments have all gone on interest.

however, its the only debt i have, so while it is a bit disheartening, i'm not going to lose sleep over it :)

op, you say you dont want to give up a lot of your social life in order to get a part time job. if you took a year out to work, are you that confident of finding a job that pays well enough for you to maintain your living costs/social life, lets you pay off debts and save for the following 2 years, and that only requires you to work regular hours( ie not when you want to do your own stuff)?

if you find a job like that, could you get me an application form too please?! :D
 
I'm not confident of finding any job in the current climate.

But 40 hours a week at minimum wage will give you about 200 after tax. My rent is 65 but that includes all bills. If I can live on £15 a day for food and sundries (that's £100 a week which is shitloads) that's gone give me 30*52= £1500 to spare after a year. Living on a tenner a day would give me more like 3 grand. In reality it would proberbly be between those figures.....unless I can do better than minmum wage

There is a good chance I'll end up working shifts though, which I could stick for a year, and that would still give me weekends free.

EDIT: to add, when you say social life, you seem to be implying that consists of constantly getting pissed in the student cliched way. What it actually consists of is a couple of meetings a week (free, but I normally have a pint), a drumming group on a saturday morning (cost £3 a week) and visiting my parents every other weekend. About once a month I'll do something more involved on the weekend relating to one of the groups I'm involved in. That doesn;t always cost money, when it does it's less than twenty quid, often less than a tenner.



This will be my last post to this thread I think, because I feel I'm having to justify my self when other students spend shitloads more on crap and then live for free with their parents over the holidays. Remember as a mature student I have to keep myself 52 weeks of the year, not 36.

Sorry to rant :D
 
Your rent is £65 p/w... is that in student digs? cos If you took a year out you wouldn't be a student anymore, hello council tax! *waves*
 
I'm not confident of finding any job in the current climate.

But 40 hours a week at minimum wage will give you about 200 after tax. My rent is 65 but that includes all bills. If I can live on £15 a day for food and sundries (that's £100 a week which is shitloads) that's gone give me 30*52= £1500 to spare after a year. Living on a tenner a day would give me more like 3 grand. In reality it would proberbly be between those figures.....unless I can do better than minmum wage

There is a good chance I'll end up working shifts though, which I could stick for a year, and that would still give me weekends free.

Where in the UK are you, shouldn't really need to work for minimum wage if you have an education.
 
Where in the UK are you, shouldn't really need to work for minimum wage if you have an education.

Hi Maomao, I'm in Derby ..... remember this is for a year out job, not a career.

Likely I'll be doing agency work in a factory. I've done it before. Not fun but stickable for 12 months if I go down the 'year out' road.


If I'm really lucky I'll get office temp work, but that won't pay much more
 
Hi Maomao, remember this is for a year out job, not a career.

Likely I'll be doing agency work in a factory. I've done it before. Not fun but stickable for 12 months if I go down the 'year out' road.


If I'm really lucky I'll get office temp work, but that won't pay much more

If the point is to make money why settle for making the minimum?
 
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If you say, so.

Student loans can be deferred. If your salary is below I think 19,000 pounds a year, you don't need to pay them back.

With an overdraft, on the other hand, the bank will be on your back to pay it off practically as soon as you finish. So you'll have to go and do a shit job to pay it back even if you don't want to, meaning no time to get sorted with a proper graduate career.
 
I'm not confident of finding any job in the current climate.


EDIT: to add, when you say social life, you seem to be implying that consists of constantly getting pissed in the student cliched way. What it actually consists of is a couple of meetings a week (free, but I normally have a pint), a drumming group on a saturday morning (cost £3 a week) and visiting my parents every other weekend. About once a month I'll do something more involved on the weekend relating to one of the groups I'm involved in. That doesn;t always cost money, when it does it's less than twenty quid, often less than a tenner.



This will be my last post to this thread I think, because I feel I'm having to justify my self when other students spend shitloads more on crap and then live for free with their parents over the holidays. Remember as a mature student I have to keep myself 52 weeks of the year, not 36.

Sorry to rant :D

i wasnt implying anything about your social life, sorry if it came over that way. fwiw, my social life at uni consisted of going to work and mother/baby groups. my advice-dont get knocked up twice during a 3 year degree, its just bad planning :D . i also had to keep myself and my family 52 weeks a year, which is why i had to work part time

you implied that you didnt want to get part time work due to your social commitments, well what about night work? where i work (residential education/care), several of our nightstaff are students, who will bring in uni work to do with them over the course of the night. or just working a couple of weekday evenings

as a mature student, you are going to have an advantage over other students looking for part time work because you are more likely to have a good cv, you are going to be seen as more relaible/mature than a 19 yr old most likely away from home for the first time, and because you are able to work all year round, not sodding off for months at a time. most supermarkets and factories are going to have part time work, and probably would be able to be flexible. even if you worked 3 nights a week, for 6 hr shifts, on minimum wage, you are still going to be approx £100 better off pw, even 2 shifts or 12 hours is still £68.

what i'm trying to say is that your debt is going to be around £2000 accumulated over 4 years. you could easily pay it off with a part time job, plus save some as a safety buffer. of course you would earn more with a full time job over a year, but what would you be happier with: another 3 years out of your life before you start your career, a year of which is spent doing 40 hrs a week in a job you dont particularly enjoy for not much wage, or 2 years, with say 40 hrs a week ( i'm assuming this is what your course claims to be in total hours ie lectures plus own work time) of a course you enjoy, with a few hour of paid work .




Student loans can be deferred. If your salary is below I think 19,000 pounds a year, you don't need to pay them back.

With an overdraft, on the other hand, the bank will be on your back to pay it off practically as soon as you finish. So you'll have to go and do a shit job to pay it back even if you don't want to, meaning no time to get sorted with a proper graduate career.

in the Uk, your student loan is considered to go into repayment in the april ( ie the beginning of the financial year) after your graduate, so long as you are earning above £15,000 per annum (£288 a week) . the amount you pay is 9 % of the amount of your wage that is above the threshhold amount. so, i earn on average £16,000 per year, i pay about £90 of my student loan back. its worked out monthly, so if you earn more or less in 1 particular month, your repayment will change too. depending on what year you took out your loan, its wiped after you reach 65 ( if you took it pre 2006) or 25 after graduation ( post 2006)

In Canada ( from what my canadian friend has explained to me) , the loan is considered in repayment on the day of graduation, however you dont have to make any payments during the first 6 months if you choose not to ( although you will still be being charged interest). if a person is finding it difficult to repay their loan, they can apply for assistance, which can include a period of non payment, the goverment paying the interest on the outstanding balance,and if after 10 years of graduating you are still struggling to pay off your loan, the goverment will help you make repayments, as all loans are to be repayed in 15 years. the percentage of wage repayment is 20 %
 
in the Uk, your student loan is considered to go into repayment in the april ( ie the beginning of the financial year) after your graduate, so long as you are earning above £15,000 per annum (£288 a week) . the amount you pay is 9 % of the amount of your wage that is above the threshhold amount. so, i earn on average £16,000 per year, i pay about £90 of my student loan back. its worked out monthly, so if you earn more or less in 1 particular month, your repayment will change too. depending on what year you took out your loan, its wiped after you reach 65 ( if you took it pre 2006) or 25 after graduation ( post 2006)

In Canada ( from what my canadian friend has explained to me) , the loan is considered in repayment on the day of graduation, however you dont have to make any payments during the first 6 months if you choose not to ( although you will still be being charged interest). if a person is finding it difficult to repay their loan, they can apply for assistance, which can include a period of non payment, the goverment paying the interest on the outstanding balance,and if after 10 years of graduating you are still struggling to pay off your loan, the goverment will help you make repayments, as all loans are to be repayed in 15 years. the percentage of wage repayment is 20 %

Now that I understand the differences between the two countries and the paying back of student loans, I started asking around for other opinions.

The majority of the students still paying off the loans would prefer your system. They say that it's a "civilized" approach. The majority of the people who had paid them off, didn't have any preferred our system. It's taxpayers money and they want it paid back.

eta: last year, the government must have found an extra bit of money, coz they paid off $2000 CAD of each of my daughters loans. The girls are hoping they will do the same again this year.
 
Judging from some of the holier-than-thou sanctimonous lectures I've had on this thread (not just from you Feyr to be fair), I conclude Urban is no longer the alternative home of anti establishment thought but now populated by Young Conservatives! :D


I agree it would be a bad idea to graduate 2 grand in debt, even if it perhaps wasn't what I wanted to hear. I'm quite prepared to work to earn that money to avoid that debt. However, the following I do not understand...

but what would you be happier with: another 3 years out of your life before you start your career, a year of which is spent doing 40 hrs a week in a job you dont particularly enjoy for not much wage, or 2 years, with say 40 hrs a week ( i'm assuming this is what your course claims to be in total hours ie lectures plus own work time) of a course you enjoy, with a few hour of paid work .

I fail to see how this is an either/or ... I worked up until I started uni, I will work when I finish.....since the next 2 years at uni will be proberbly be the last oportunity to do anything other than work full time at a paid job quite possibly until I retire (still 30 odd years away!), what is wrong with wanting to enjoy them- both study and other activites?

I can't see that this is an either/or- I really don't see why I can't work hard on a year out, get the shitty bit out of the way, then come back and enjoy two years of uni life.
 
Judging from some of the holier-than-thou sanctimonous lectures I've had on this thread (not just from you Feyr to be fair), I conclude Urban is no longer the alternative home of anti establishment thought but now populated by Young Conservatives! :D

Oh do piss off. If you dont want to hear opinions that disagree with yours or try to offer advice then don't start the thread.

You seem to have the answer already, good luck with it.
 
Oh do piss off.

Same to you. It's not my fault you got crap degree marks and missed out on some of student life because you chose to work two jobs instead of spending less or taking a year out.

If you dont want to hear opinions that disagree with yours or try to offer advice then don't start the thread.

Quite happy to hear other opinions, these were off-topic lectures with no relation to the question I first asked.
 
I fail to see how this is an either/or ... I worked up until I started uni, I will work when I finish.....since the next 2 years at uni will be proberbly be the last oportunity to do anything other than work full time at a paid job quite possibly until I retire (still 30 odd years away!), what is wrong with wanting to enjoy them- both study and other activites?

I can't see that this is an either/or- I really don't see why I can't work hard on a year out, get the shitty bit out of the way, then come back and enjoy two years of uni life.


i didnt say it was either/or, i said that if you worked part time while studying, in addition to going to your drumming group, meetings,seeing parents, and still enjoying uni life, then you wouldnt have to give uni up for a year. i suppose the way i see it is that if you enjoy uni life that much, why would you want to put it on hold for a year. you've obviously got your mind set on taking a year out to work, so i wish you all the best in finding a job for your year out :)
 
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