Being able to communicate with 'the dead'

[Yetman]

Ok, how about this.

You're a 2 dimensional creature living on a flat plain. For you, the 3rd dimension does not exist. However, the 3rd dimension does exist, and someone has curved your flat plain into a cylinder. You can't tell, because you, light, and everything else continues to move only along the surface of the plain. But, if you travel in one direction, you end up back where you started. If your plain is curved again into a sphere, then you can travel in any direction and end up where you started.

For our universe, the flat 3d world may be curved in many other dimensions, making it closed and edgeless.

You call the surface of the sphere an edge, because for you, a 3d being, a sphere has an inside and an outside. But to mr.2d, it only ever has a surface.

Similarly, we will never see the 'edge' of a closed 3d universe, as we only ever see those 3 dimensions.

 

[xenon]

Absolutely proven?? Can you provide evidence of this?

FWIW I know a medium, a good friend. And as far as other people experiencing it there's hundreds of thousands mate. Many ignore it or dont mention it for fear of ridicule (wonder why eh?) but a lot of people have it.

Whether its a real communication to the spirit world or simply a short circuit in the brain it actually happens and these people do experience it, so chill with the piss taking eh?

I've witnessed a lot of this sort of stuff - I've had readings, witnessed 'ghost writings' and spoke to people and children who've seen ghosts and have then had their story confirmed when we've looked into what they've seen and its been accurate. My second cousin regressed to a previous life under hypnosis and started speaking fluent french.....she doesnt speak a word of french.

But yeah, I'm still skeptical, not that these things dont happen, because they do. But they may not be as mysterious as we think.

Either way dont assume everyone who mentions an experience like this is lying or nuts. One day it might happen to you.

Actually I tend to go along with this. Well in the sense of keeping relatively open minded. But still, I wish he / she, would tell us what the dead have to say. Cos at the moment, it all sounds like a rather trivial delusion.

 

[kyser_soze]

Sounds like someone overheard a conversation while on lithium to me:

 

[bluestreak]

I'll leave you and crispy to argue this one out

i'm not arguing, i'm trying to learn by throwing questions at him - trying to revisualise the universe from how my instincts tell me it is to how smarter people than me see it.

 

[xenon]

And Max_freakout's podcast.

I mean if it had been on the 1510 to Gilford, it might have been a little more unexpected.

 

[xenon]

i'm not arguing, i'm trying to learn by throwing questions at him - trying to revisualise the universe from how my instincts tell me it is to how smarter people than me see it.

I htink that paper cilinder annaligy's a good starting point. Well it's done my head in. Like trying to see out of your elbow. Not by picturing what you know is behind it. But literally trying to see out of it.

Er, I needs to log off.

 

[Yossarian]

I
When I was in this state my mum got spooked by a 'ghost fish'. I later got the wrong side of the energy myself, and switched back to earth.

This is why it's a mistake to watch South Park on acid...

 

[bluestreak]

Similarly, we will never see the 'edge' of a closed 3d universe, as we only ever see those 3 dimensions.

ok, that's cool, we might not be able to perceive other dimensions but that doesn't mean they're not there, i'm fine with that. but that doesn't mean that there isn't stuff there, just because we don't have the right dimensions to see it.

 

[kyser_soze]

how my instincts tell me it is

Once you get there it's great. I nearly fell over last night thinking that I was moving through trillions of atoms EVERY SECOND OF MY LIFE.

It's why I'm so dismissive of psychedelic ramblings - physics is far more mindblowing when you take it from the abstract and try and picture yourself as a collection of atoms, moving through other atoms, all of which despite looking solid is in fact mainly empty space.

And then you remember that this isn't subjective speculation, this is retested, experimentally verified closest approximation. And fall over.

 

[bluestreak]

yeah, physics was my worst subject at school. i fell out with my physics teacher by the second week of gcse and had my text book confiscated and never returned. i missed most of the lessons and thought it was bollocks. then i dated a scientist for a few years and would read through the new scientist and then i was like WOW! since then i've tried to understand this stuff a bit more. it's fascinating and mind-blowing... i'm just not smart enough to read the heavy stuff so i need people like crispy to explain it slowly using small words.

 

[kyser_soze]

TBH, altho I enjoyed physics at school, it was in complete opposition to both my teacher and the syllabus - altho in fairness, I used to throw questions on relativity, QM and suchlike at him every lesson and disrupt things

i'm just not smart enough to read the heavy stuff so i need people like crispy to explain it slowly using small words

You & me both - I still stay as far away from the math as possible as well.

Also, I'd suggest cheating - I bought a book called 'Bluffers Guide to the Quantum Universe' which is about as close to an easy reader on QM as you're gonna get.

 

[Yetman]

I did A-Level Physics. I wouldnt recommend it to anyone who wants answers on this sort of stuff, all you get is more questions.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Just cause we can't see an edge doesn't mean that there ain't one though. The theorists could be wrong and the universe may indeed be finite and just so incredibly big it seems like its infinate.

Ive said it before and ill say it again - the edge of the universe is similar to The Truman Show when he sails off in a boat and crashes into a painted set.

Mark my words!

 

[kyser_soze]

And when you get there, you'll see a huge fucking eye staring back at you.

 

[Yetman]

The universe is expanding.....and it will ineveitably reach a point and then contract til it becomes the size of a full stop and then it will explode again and repeat the whole sordid affair once more.

Wonder how many times this has happened?

 

[Barking_Mad]

And when you get there, you'll see a huge fucking eye staring back at you.

"HAHAH Look at those humans they've made a film that has an end just like the end of their universe!"

"How long before they find out the edge is a painted set?"

"Ohhh they won't make it that far, there's a comet coming with their name on!"

"HAHAHA! HOOO HAA!! HOO HAHAAA!

 

[bluestreak]

The universe is expanding.....and it will ineveitably reach a point and then contract til it becomes the size of a full stop and then it will explode again and repeat the whole sordid affair once more.

Wonder how many times this has happened?

expanding into what? surely there has to be something to expand into?

 

[User 301X/5.1]

expanding into what? surely there has to be something to expand into?

No.....it does't have to expand into something. There is no such thing as outside of the universe anyway.

It's meaningless to think of any space being outside of the universe.

 

[Gromit]

"HAHAH Look at those humans they've made a film that has an end just like the end of their universe!"

"How long before they find out the edge is a painted set?"

"Ohhh they won't make it that far, there's a comet coming with their name on!"

"HAHAHA! HOOO HAA!! HOO HAHAAA!

Let me guess. Its a comedy right?

 

[Yetman]

No.....it does't have to expand into something. There is no such thing as outside of the universe anyway.

It's meaningless to think of any space being outside of the universe.

There is only the universe then?

soooo.......whats on the outside of it?

nothing?

Well...nothing is something....

how far does that nothing go on for then?

Forever

You cant have forever.....

ok if you keep going in one direction you'll end up back where you started.

Like a big ball?

yes.

Whats on the outside of the ball then?

nothing..

AAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHH

 

[i-am-your-idea]

There is only the universe then?

soooo.......whats on the outside of it?

nothing?

Well...nothing is something....

how far does that nothing go on for then?

Forever

You cant have forever.....

ok if you keep going in one direction you'll end up back where you started.

Like a big ball?

yes.

Whats on the outside of the ball then?

nothing..

AAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHH

lol, maybe thats were all the ghosts are

 

[bluestreak]

1. No.....it does't have to expand into something. There is no such thing as outside of the universe anyway.

2. It's meaningless to think of any space being outside of the universe.

1. so if the universe contains everything within it, then surely it must be, to all intents and purposes infinite? if, because of our own particular set of dimensions, we can only ever travel back to where we came, can we not, if we worked out how, move through other sets of dimensions - and if we did, what would we find?

2. why?

 

[Blagsta]

i think there's an increasing number of quite dangerously deluded people on these boards and it's quite alarming.

yep

 

[xenon]

yeah, physics was my worst subject at school. i fell out with my physics teacher by the second week of gcse and had my text book confiscated and never returned. i missed most of the lessons and thought it was bollocks. then i dated a scientist for a few years and would read through the new scientist and then i was like WOW! since then i've tried to understand this stuff a bit more. it's fascinating and mind-blowing... i'm just not smart enough to read the heavy stuff so i need people like crispy to explain it slowly using small words.

Similar to me. Well never dated a scientist though. Have just started trying to aquaint myself with some of the basics. The thing I find hardest about trying to get my head around even that level, is my maths skills. I don't even know what many of the symbols and words mean. Let alone know how to read an equasion. I get the idea though.

 

[xenon]

TBH, altho I enjoyed physics at school, it was in complete opposition to both my teacher and the syllabus - altho in fairness, I used to throw questions on relativity, QM and suchlike at him every lesson and disrupt things



You & me both - I still stay as far away from the math as possible as well.

Also, I'd suggest cheating - I bought a book called 'Bluffers Guide to the Quantum Universe' which is about as close to an easy reader on QM as you're gonna get.

Thank fuck. You always strike me as having a clue, physics wise. And if you're avoiding the maths, there's hope for the rest of us.

 

[obanite]

A-level physics was great!

I think it's important to keep an open mind though, maybe you're just getting old Blagsta/Dub?

"I remember when it was all fields, and we had none of that paranormal crap!"

 

[Blagsta]

A-level physics was great!

I think it's important to keep an open mind though, maybe you're just getting old Blagsta/Dub?

"I remember when it was all fields, and we had none of that paranormal crap!"

Eh? Someone expresses delusional thoughts, possibly beginnings of a psychosis and that means I'm getting old? wtf?

 

[Barking_Mad]

Let me guess. Its a comedy right?

The Aliens are from The Simpsons, the rest was my own work lovey

 

[Gromit]

The Aliens are from The Simpsons, the rest was my own work lovey

No I meant the film we're in. Its either a comedy or a tragedy. I'm trying to find out which.

 

[i-am-your-idea]

No I meant the film we're in. Its either a comedy or a tragedy. I'm trying to find out which.

do you think if you found out which one it was, it would be true?