Geri
wasn't born to follow
I don't try to. That's the difference - I don't feel the need to shout "Look at me!"
Being a punk/goth in 2008
- Thread starter RubyToogood
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I don't try to. That's the difference - I don't feel the need to shout "Look at me!"
lights.out.london
Black Flag
I think you've missed the point of being 'punk'. And very, very little has changed from 'then' to now.
Other tribes? Hippies? They make good compost - get a hair cut, get a bath, get some self-respect, get a real worldview and get back to me.
/hippy rant.
RubyToogood
RubyTwobikes
So what is the point then?
Well presumably you're not a teenager.
If you're attempting to deny kids the right to shout 'look at me', you're not only shutting off a big part of being young, you're also contradicting your earlier criticism that they lack imagination
felixthecat
are we there yet?
You is old
yep.
C'mon geri - its wanting to look different for one, and if you like the music, why not dress the style? My daughter wears lots of punk stuff (we've moved on from emo
) - has even looked at old pics of her mum and auntie for inspiration 
I really like to see the kids with their different styles - makes me smile.
gnoriac
lowly seer
The consumerist culture crushed it all.
gnoriac
lowly seer
Who's that?Plenty punks round here, even today.
it.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
16 Again, a proper punk "revival" band - ie they have never been away! A mate plays guitar but he's the youngest. The rest of them have been kicking around in various NE bands since the heyday of punk.
The guy on the immediate left is the bass player from Karloff - A more modern punk band who have been getting some reputation as a good solid suport/festival band in Scotland (& he does look like that all the time) & they tuned-up with a bunch of teenage punks who also gave a very creditable performance that night.
The guy on the immediate left is the bass player from Karloff - A more modern punk band who have been getting some reputation as a good solid suport/festival band in Scotland (& he does look like that all the time) & they tuned-up with a bunch of teenage punks who also gave a very creditable performance that night.
lights.out.london
Black Flag
DIY.
Seems to me you're focussing on Topshop "anarchy" and the collected dross, I mean, works of the likes of Green Day, Offspring, NOFX and other charlatans.
Punk was never and will never be a brand. There lies your confusion. You can't buy 'punk' in the shops.
NoFX? Charlatans? You seem to have as fucked up an idea of what constitutes punk as you're accusing Ruby of having.
An old man ringfencing off punk as if it was something only he experienced and understands.
lights.out.london
Black Flag
NoFX? Charlatans? You seem to have as fucked up an idea of what constitutes punk as you're accusing Ruby of having.
An old man ringfencing off punk as if it was something only he experienced and understands.
Doubt it.
lights.out.london
Black Flag
^
NoFX? Charlatans? You seem to have as fucked up an idea of what constitutes punk as you're accusing Ruby of having.
An old man ringfencing off punk as if it was something only he experienced and understands.
It's still not clear what bit you're doubting.
You do have a different view of punk than me, and than Ruby. Do you have a certificate explaining why your's is the only legit take on it?
lights.out.london
Black Flag
Goth was interesting with the Sisters and the early 80s Leeds thing. I'd still go to see them and FoTN. Not the Mission though....four nights at the Hammy Odeon? 
lights.out.london
Black Flag
Not sure how you drew the inference ^
Not sure what my age has to do with anything. Not sure what you hope to achieve by insulting me.
You may have wanted to hang-on to the DIY bit I started my post with. That probably answers your question.
subversplat
writer of wrongs
NOFX are actually a pretty credible bunch of punks underneath all that "pop-punk" comedy exterior. Green Day and Offspring (Anarchy Airlines, anyone!?) are fair game though
Oh, get over it. I put a
to indicate i wasn't being entirely serious, and I'm about the same age as you anyway.
RubyToogood
RubyTwobikes
I'm not. I don't know who Offspring and NOFX are, and I thought Green Day were grunge. I'm not actually talking about music at all, this is in the threads and dreads forum, I'm talking about people who dress now exactly as punks dressed in 1978, down to the last stud. I'm all in favour of DIY - DIY doesn't seem to me to be about regurgitating 30 year old fashions and reproducing them note perfectly.
lights.out.london
Black Flag
Then we agree. It's not about fashion, or music ... it's DIY.
Be it publishing (fanzines, for example), music, a rehearsal space, an 'arts' space, community centre, direct activism etc etc, it's never been about what you can buy in the shops (may I refer anyone interested to Conflict's recent TNPWOC for a heads-up).
Be it publishing (fanzines, for example), music, a rehearsal space, an 'arts' space, community centre, direct activism etc etc, it's never been about what you can buy in the shops (may I refer anyone interested to Conflict's recent TNPWOC for a heads-up).
Ceej
Where is my mind?
Agreed.
Being old enough to have been there at the beginning (I was 15 in '76), for me it was about having an identity that belonged to ME and felt right - in previous and subsequent subcultures, there's a 'must-have, must-be' element - punks did, said, wore, listened to, were passionate about, supported what mattered to them. There was no right or wrong there wasn't a norm or a sterotype to adhere to or aspire to - there was just you. And that was celebrated.
The ideology as well as the look has been assimilated and diluted, and although I rarely wear rippped up bin-liners and black ripped fishnets these days, I'm still a punk at heart. Even though I now live in the grown up world, my clothes and appearance still nods in that direction. And if I should find myself at an Anti-Nowhere League gig, my '76 self would probably be recognisable, just. It's who I am.
yeh, cos the Anti Nowhere League were a forward-thinking example to us all, weren't they?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
TBH I look at ve kidz and see the same things as ever.
Those who like to dress sharply, and those for whom a more casual look is de-rigeur, and those whose dress is somewhere inbetween.
Also, can you really classify somethng as a subculture if it's only fashion? Cos I'd have said that net/IT geekery is a huge subculture that transcends fashion boundaries - my little sis (my touchstone with ve kidz) is in a group that includes a couple of sk8rs, new dandies (who all look like a cross between Brand and Docherty), goths, metallers in leathers, a couple of chavs and some very sharp suited sort of power-dressing types (they wear shoes with their suits instead of Dr Who stylee)...
Those who like to dress sharply, and those for whom a more casual look is de-rigeur, and those whose dress is somewhere inbetween.
Also, can you really classify somethng as a subculture if it's only fashion? Cos I'd have said that net/IT geekery is a huge subculture that transcends fashion boundaries - my little sis (my touchstone with ve kidz) is in a group that includes a couple of sk8rs, new dandies (who all look like a cross between Brand and Docherty), goths, metallers in leathers, a couple of chavs and some very sharp suited sort of power-dressing types (they wear shoes with their suits instead of Dr Who stylee)...
Good point. Older folks are moaning that there are no subcultures when in fact, it could be argued that the subcultures are still entirely there, but being expressed in different ways.
IMO, it's all the same as it ever was.
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
so are most people, tbf. at least goths look cool.
yea, but they don't really. some folk who were into that scene in the early 80s (batcave types etc) looked fairly 'mental' which is always to be commended, but the thing i find a bit strange about the 'goth fashion' of today is that is it so 'off the peg' and 'high street' - very much a 'look' you can simply go into a number of shops (in particular sround camden) and simply buy. Not meaning to denigrade the folk who are into it or anything, but to me the whole point in youth cultures is folk 'expresing themselves through their clothes' and that generally means experimenting visually and making their own stuff.
but every youth culture i can think of has been off-the-peg almost instantly. From drape jackets to bondage trousers, to Bowie bags to raver hoodies. There's always a handful of people making their own stuff, and tens of thousands more - at the time! - just buying copies.
No change there.
(btw - had CD burner problems, now resolved - discs on the way
)
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
We had a few goths in one night a few weeks back and I overheard a couple of the girls comparing notes on how much they paid for the wedding dress they were wearing and - i kid you not - how they get snakebite stains out of them. Bless. i thought it was sweet.
