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BusLanes

Pedestrian
We're hoping to release a fresh batch of Coldharbour Courage (our delicious charity beer) but aren't chuffed to see that the multinational, recently arrived mega-backed Brixton Brewery are now pushing a similarly named lager. as far as I know they have zero connection to the street and we were here long before them - and we're not about selling off out business for $$$$$$$.
Coldharbour lager? They used to do that well before they were bought out
 

BusLanes

Pedestrian
Thought Brixton Brewery was only sold last year. I remember having Coldharbour Lage in 2015 - then it went away for a year or two.
 

jezg

Well-Known Member
We're hoping to release a fresh batch of Coldharbour Courage (our delicious charity beer) but aren't chuffed to see that the multinational, recently arrived mega-backed Brixton Brewery are now pushing a similarly named lager. as far as I know they have zero connection to the street and we were here long before them - and we're not about selling off out business for $$$$$$$.
I remember drinking the first batch in Kaff, think it contained Guarana? We(Brixton Brewery) released our first batch in 2015 although we brainstormed the name in 2011 and it celebrates CHL which runs behind the brewery. London Beer Lab also have a beer called Coldharbour Pils and Clarkshaws have Coldharbour Hell Yeah!
 

BusLanes

Pedestrian
I remember drinking the first batch in Kaff, think it contained Guarana? We(Brixton Brewery) released our first batch in 2015 although we brainstormed the name in 2011 and it celebrates CHL which runs behind the brewery. London Beer Lab also have a beer called Coldharbour Pils and Clarkshaws have Coldharbour Hell Yeah!
Did you actually stop brewing COldharbour Lager for a bit? Didn't see it about for a while at local places
 

editor

hiraethified
I remember drinking the first batch in Kaff, think it contained Guarana? We(Brixton Brewery) released our first batch in 2015 although we brainstormed the name in 2011 and it celebrates CHL which runs behind the brewery. London Beer Lab also have a beer called Coldharbour Pils and Clarkshaws have Coldharbour Hell Yeah!
Yes, there's been several beers using the name that followed our beer, which I believe was the first beer to celebrate Coldharbour Lane.

Of course the real difference is that we give all the profits away to local charities.
 

jezg

Well-Known Member
Did you actually stop brewing COldharbour Lager for a bit? Didn't see it about for a while at local places
Yeah it was originally launched as a "Summer Seasonal" as we lager the beer for 4 weeks(on top of 2 weeks fermentation) and got some new tanks in early 2015 that gave us the capacity we needed to do that. Since then we've brewed it again whenever we've had the room so it's been sporadic!
 

CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Also, last call for the Four Freedoms Pale Ale launch next Friday at Whirled Cinema (editor, please advise if you don't allow advertising and I'll remove link/post)
Four Freedoms Pale Ale launch party
I went to this, but didn't recognise any Urbanites.

Not sure how the speeches went in toto cos I didn't get there at the beginning. MP Helen Hayes reminded us that she had voted against article 50. She is a very diligent MP - and seems to be well aware of local issues. If I wasn't so busy trying to help other parties avoid losing their deposits, I would be able to vote for her with a clear conscience.

Cllr Pauline George Herne Hill - Labour - gave an impassioned exhortation.
Cllr Pete Elliott and Cllr Scott Ainsley were there, but didn't make speeches whilst I was there.

The brewers were chatting with me quite convivially, but I was loath to ask too many people if they were BusLanes in case I was thrown out. Actually Ian Clark of Clarkshaws was the only person I spoke to who was familiar with Urban75.

BusLanes I think you owe a duty to "come out". An ideal occasions might be South London Drinks on 22nd November at Crown and Sceptre.
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
Also, last call for the Four Freedoms Pale Ale launch next Friday at Whirled Cinema (editor, please advise if you don't allow advertising and I'll remove link/post)

Four Freedoms Pale Ale launch party
As much as I like Clarkshaws and have bought some of these today Im not so sure about this,

Four Freedoms is a new delicious, light and fresh pale ale, blended from English and German hops, created by a group of passionate pro-Europeans and brewed by Brixton’s Clarkshaw’s Brewery. The beer celebrates the common aspirational principles of the European Single Market: the four freedoms of movement of goods, capital, services, and labour.
They wanted a beer that didn’t just have a cute name, but also represented the values of unity that we are in danger of losing.
As much as I opposed Brexit its not for these reasons. It was because debate was mainly about immigration in this country. I know people in London who are remain. But not because they support the "Four Freedoms".

The Four Freedoms of the single market are for benefit of capitalism not ordinary people.

Four Freedoms didnt work for Greece. What has happened to Greece is hardly great advert for European unity.

Imo we should have stayed but reformed Europe. Supporting "Four Freedoms" is wrong way to do it.
 

CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Imo we should have stayed but reformed Europe. Supporting "Four Freedoms" is wrong way to do it.
You have a point there - though there are/were certain fringe Four Freedomy things which a minority could benefit from. Such as free university education
(extract from German Universities international admissions site)
3. Get your finances in order
In order to fulfill student visa requirements, you will need to show proof that you have, or have access to, around €7,908 per year (US$8,722) or €659 (US$727) per month to cover your living costs, although you may find you need more, depending on your lifestyle and spending habits (the average student spends €800/US$877 a month). Living costs vary depending on the location; according to Mercer’s Cost of Living Survey, Munich is currently Germany’s most expensive city, followed by Frankfurt am Main and Berlin.

If you’re concerned about costs, there are scholarships available to support students studying in Germany at various study levels including undergraduate level, despite the tuition itself being free.

Of course being a student in Germany might be a very good way to sample some beers.....
 

BusLanes

Pedestrian
I will endeavour to come to the drinks next month!

The name was popularily chosen when we threw the question out to friends and supporters, a few of which have used freedom of movement to go abroad to live or study and some who've used it to move to London from abroad. So we were quite happy to go with the label. Our next production is either going to be a Mild called Staying in a Reformed Europe or a Not Returning to an Empire Stout, although alternative suggestions are welcome.
 

alex_

Well-Known Member
I will endeavour to come to the drinks next month!

The name was popularily chosen when we threw the question out to friends and supporters, a few of which have used freedom of movement to go abroad to live or study and some who've used it to move to London from abroad. So we were quite happy to go with the label. Our next production is either going to be a Mild called Staying in a Reformed Europe or a Not Returning to an Empire Stout, although alternative suggestions are welcome.
Stay or gose ?

( a bit far out admittedly )

Remainer bitter ?
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
I will endeavour to come to the drinks next month!

The name was popularily chosen when we threw the question out to friends and supporters, a few of which have used freedom of movement to go abroad to live or study and some who've used it to move to London from abroad. So we were quite happy to go with the label. Our next production is either going to be a Mild called Staying in a Reformed Europe or a Not Returning to an Empire Stout, although alternative suggestions are welcome.
But the beer, which is good , says the four Freedoms. Not just freedom of movement. Its the four Freedoms that the EU leaders keep going on about as fundamental to staying in EU.

They aren't four Freedoms. Its the worst aspect of EU. Its neo liberalism. It just happened that free movement of labour was one of them. Which was done in interest of business. Not for any reason of belief in multiculturalism. If multiculturalism damaged business profits immigration would be stopped straight away.

Im saying this as someone who has EU partner.

Look at Italy. They have been told there budget isn't within EU rules. Despite Italians voting this government in.

Fortunately this country is not in Eurozone. The Euro is crap. Its neo liberalism and has meant that ordinary people in EU have suffered unnecessarily.

So sticking The Four Freedoms on a bottle to get support to stay in EU is wrong to me.

The only reason I supported staying in was because the whole debate here was about immigration. UKIP led the way.

Apart from that EU has been appalling. Greece. The austerity imposed on Greece has led to dire poverty.

What friends and supporters?
 
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BusLanes

Pedestrian
It's as I said. We asked our friend and people in our groups for suggestions and this is what we got and we like it. Whatever your views on the Single Market or Greece, it is pretty amazing to have freedom of movement as a citizen - speaking as someone who has gone through other immigration systems anyway. It does mean a lot to us and that's one reason why I volunteer on this stuff.
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
It's as I said. We asked our friend and people in our groups for suggestions and this is what we got and we like it. Whatever your views on the Single Market or Greece, it is pretty amazing to have freedom of movement as a citizen - speaking as someone who has gone through other immigration systems anyway. It does mean a lot to us and that's one reason why I volunteer on this stuff.
You do realise that politicians like Chuka want to stay in EU single market but bring in restrictions on EU immigrants. To help assuage peoples "concerns" on immigration.
 

BusLanes

Pedestrian
You do realise that politicians like Chuka want to stay in EU single market but bring in restrictions on EU immigrants. To help assuage peoples "concerns" on immigration.
I do, but I'm not supporting Chuka per se. Helen Hayes is more on my wave - length on these matters.

To be frank, I don't really care what a particular politician thinks about this topic, I care more what I think about it and it's one of the best parts of the whole deal, even though I don't use it, or plan to (I'm happy enough in Britain). Immigration is tough at the best of times and anything that shifts rights to an individual away from the state and political cycle like this is something I am on board with.
 

CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Dread to report this - but media person and Wetherspoon chairman Tim Martin was in the Beehive yesterday morning as part of his "No deal Brexit" tour.

The event was supposed to be at 10.30 am, but started a bit late. Looked like quite a few of the young people present might have been crew/staff from other Wetherpoon pubs - most people don't normally turn up in the Beehive in white shirts (the usual Beehive people carried on serving as normal).

Tim Martin was taller than I expected, but his avuncular manner was pretty much what you get on "Question Time". In fact Tim seemed quite chuffed that he had attracted film crews from Japan and Denmark on his tour. (Not in the Beehive though)

His standard reply to questioners - whether their angle was remain or leave was "I agree with you" and then to qualify his agreement. A bit like having a conversation with former Streatham MP Keith Hill. Maybe Tim might be parliamentary material?

I do apologise for attending this event. I wouldn't have even known had it not been for the South London Drinks this week at the Crown & Sceptre. But I found it an interesting experience.
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
Tom Martin is also against the Tories National Living Wage.

JD Wetherspoon boss Tim Martin slams Government's living wage policy after profits at the pub group shrink | This is Money

I think he might be a ultra Thatcherite. Like City AM paper. If only markets could be freed from EU / government interference then all would be well. Hence support for No Deal Brexit. There is a logic to his argument.

Mays deal would lead to leaving EU but still being bound by it. Which is pointless.Tim Martin makes more logical sense than May. The May deal is a travesty of what Brexit voters thought they were going to get.

He is not an anti immigration Brexiter I think. He is more of a business man who sees any kind of government interference in the working of business as wrong. The EU being a super state.
 
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Maggot

The Cake of Liberty
I do apologise for attending this event. I wouldn't have even known had it not been for the South London Drinks this week at the Crown & Sceptre. But I found it an interesting experience.
I was at those drinks and spotted the poster with Tim Martins visit on, but I didn't see you there. :confused:
 

CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I was at those drinks and spotted the poster with Tim Martins visit on, but I didn't see you there. :confused:
I was in the place from 7.10 pm & saw no-one I recognised. Fortunately a friend turned up at about 8.15 so I still managed to get in three Bishop's Tipples and some obscure buy pleasant Brazilian Wetherspoons commission (brewed at Adnams) by 10.30 pm.

I hadn't attended a South London Drinks for some years - in fact saw some of the crew at those Cider events at The Platform these last two or three years.

Why don't you get one of those table flags used at conferences, for the likes of me who get lost? Suggest a EU flag might serve. Should be plenty around - thoufgh not in Wetherspoons, obviously.
 

CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I think he might be a ultra Thatcherite.
I think he might be described as a capitalist anarchist (or vice versa).
Wikipedia says he is an admirer of Sam Walton's business philosophy (Walmart).
It also says he went to 11 different schools - ending up at Nottingham University studying Law, but never practicing.
 

BusLanes

Pedestrian
I should have been paying more attention, missing both events!

Back in the day I was quite obsessed by tariffs as an exemplar of free trade, probably because of the historical nature of my reading materials but then I started reading about contemporary trade negotiations and agreements and realised that it was all a lot more complex. Then of course Trump came along and now we're all about TariffMan again
 

Maggot

The Cake of Liberty
I was in the place from 7.10 pm & saw no-one I recognised. Fortunately a friend turned up at about 8.15 so I still managed to get in three Bishop's Tipples and some obscure buy pleasant Brazilian Wetherspoons commission (brewed at Adnams) by 10.30 pm.

I hadn't attended a South London Drinks for some years - in fact saw some of the crew at those Cider events at The Platform these last two or three years.

Why don't you get one of those table flags used at conferences, for the likes of me who get lost? Suggest a EU flag might serve. Should be plenty around - thoufgh not in Wetherspoons, obviously.
If you don't know anyone you should take the phone number of someone who is definitely going, or else you have to approach groups of people and ask them if they're from the internet.
 
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