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hiraethified
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I drink all sorts of stuff, most of which these days I luckily get given for free as part of my band/DJ rider. So I'm not fussed, but I do enjoy craft beer and also shit lager sometimes. So now you know. Whoopeedo.

But just to make sure you don't look like the kind of sad twat that has to resort to shit ad hominem arguments when they find themselves losing ground, please explain why my personal choice of beverage has any relevance whatsoever to a discussion about whether a corporate backed brewery can be classed as a true independent. Thanks.

Any why are you even posting this up?
 

CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
They have many, many pubs in London!
I was hoping for some enlightenment from the article below, but minimum wage not mentioned.

It does however helpfully state that Mr Rooney Anand, Greene King's CEO originally worked managing building sites for Tarmac at the age of 19.

When Anand came to Greene King, his predecessor was descended from the Kings on bis mothers side, and the nephew of Graham Greene was on the board
Incidentally Graham Greene (as well as being a weirdly depressing novelist) was the brother of Sir Hugh Greene - Director General of the BBC 1960-1989. Under Sir Hugh we had such innovations as Z Cars and Dr Who. He did not go down too well with Mrs Mary Whitehouse and her National Viewwers and Listeners Association. Whitehouse once commented: "Greene fully understood the destructive power of the satire. Why, knowing its power, did he also use it here against family life, Christianity etc? This is the heart of our complaint against Greene."

So there you have it - Greene King is simultaneously at the heart of the establishment, and also connected with undermining decent family values.
Greene King's Rooney Anand: 'As a CEO, you feel like your performance review is held in public every 12 weeks'
 
I think he thought my comment about green king was serious.

Alex
Not really. Well maybe you got one over on me :D I quite liked the 'small batch' comment though.

They also do Old Speckled Hen. And since then Old Crafty Hen and Old Hoppy Hen. Which is obviously an attempt to get on the bandwagon. They're not awful, but they're not great.
 
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I drink all sorts of stuff, most of which these days I luckily get given for free as part of my band/DJ rider. So I'm not fussed, but I do enjoy craft beer and also shit lager sometimes. So now you know. Whoopeedo.

But just to make sure you don't look like the kind of sad twat that has to resort to shit ad hominem arguments when they find themselves losing ground, please explain why my personal choice of beverage has any relevance whatsoever to a discussion about whether a corporate backed brewery can be classed as a true independent. Thanks.

Any why are you even posting this up?
It’s not an ad hominem and I’m not attacking you. The idea that BB or Beavertown are now ‘bad’ because they have taken investment from a multinational has been quiet fierce, which makes one assume that you are opposed to them. And so it is a reasonable question to ask whether you are still prepared to drink beer backed by multinationals or not. And there are always situations when one has no choice (big gigs tend to mean Heineken or Carling or some other tasteless shit or bust).

Personally I think I’m neither losing ground nor a ‘sad twat’ (thanks - is that a personal attack or not?), and if you think that asking people whether they spend money with these maligned businesses is an ‘attack’ then you’ve missed the point. I was asked recently whether I spent my money in Acre Lane Tesco (re the LLW argument). My response was not ‘how dare you ask me that’, it was to explain where I try and spend it as frequently as I can.

I’ve also said I try and drink independent small brew beer when I can. I am interested in where you stand on that bearing in mind you are quite vehemently anti-corporate.

Can’t say simpler than that really. If you don’t want to express a position that’s fine.
 
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On a lighter note, I've just had a couple of glasses of Bullfinch Cascade at the Sympathetic Ear on Tulse Hill. Genuinely one of the nicest beers I've tasted for a very long time. 6%, really hazy but not with that heavy syrupy feel you often get with the cloudy beers.

Aaaaaand, it was only £3.40 for 2/3 of a pint makes it about a fiver a pint, which for a small batch brew with bar markup at that ABV makes it quite good value for money. Sadly not in cans...

IPA
(it's the one right at the bottom of the page)
 

editor

hiraethified
It’s not an ad hominem and I’m not attacking you. The idea that BB or Beavertown are now ‘bad’ because they have taken investment from a multinational has been quiet fierce, which makes one assume that you are opposed to them.
Who has called them "bad"? Where?

And despite your best efforts to sidetrack the discussion and keep bringing my personal choices into it (which I've already answered), the argument was always whether a brewery that is almost half owned by one of the biggest brewing corporate on the planet could justifiably call itself "independent."
 

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hiraethified
Interesting piece here:

“By buying craft brands and lowering the price, [Big Beer] can reduce the price-to-consumers, and force the hand of other craft brewers (particularly large regionals) to lower their price-to-consumer to compete. These price reductions on craft beer shrink the gap between AB InBev’s premium legacy brands and craft brands. Overtime, minimizing this price gap increases the brand equity of their legacy premium brands (Bud and Bud Light), since these brands no longer appear to be at a significant discount. The increase in brand equity for these legacy premium brands suggests consumers should eventually become less price sensitive and AB InBev can take a price increase (claim even more value in brand equity) to generate value.

This is why, from a business prospective, it sucks when an independent craft brewery “sells out” to AB InBev. For us in the industry, we are trading out a collaborator for a competitor, and I personally just don’t believe the repetitive press releases that say the deal is best option for the craft brand and for the employees. Maybe everyone really believes that from the middle on down at AB InBev. But ultimately, it has a much bigger purpose to serve first, before the value it creates for itself can ever be appreciated.

Having worked for the big guys, I believe their focus remains squarely on how they protect their legacy brands, and I remain steadfast in my belief that we can set our young brands up better for long-term success and create significantly better work environments for our employees by staying independent from Mega breweries.”

Anthony Gladman, Beer Sommelier | Beavertown’s Buy-out by Heineken
Here's the original article:

Watch the Hands, Not the Cards — The Magic of Megabrew
 

editor

hiraethified
I never thought I'd read the sentence " legacy premium brands (Bud and Bud Light)"!
They're awful, but they are immensely popular and, as that article explains, rightly described as "premium." I didn't know that they were made from "30% rice in addition to hops and barley malt," mind.

But here's something I don't understand. Brixton Brewery say that they are still a member of the Society of Independent Brewers yet a Guardian article from last year stated:

These scathing comments come amid an effort by Siba to build a fence around the “craft” label with the launch of a new kitemarking system, the Assured Independent British Craft Brewer seal.

Its criteria are that brewers must produce less than 200,000 hectolitres a year, abide by Siba’s standards of ingredient quality and – crucially – be fully independent of any global beer company.
More: Indie brewers fight back in bitter row over beer brands' craft credentials

And: Camden Town Brewery founder insists big can also be beautiful
 

Twattor

Well-Known Member
And yesterday it was announced that Fourpure (Bermondsey) have been bought entirely by Lion (Castlemaine XXXX, Little Creatures) who are themselves owned by Kirin. Another one bites the dust.
 

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hiraethified
And yesterday it was announced that Fourpure (Bermondsey) have been bought entirely by Lion (Castlemaine XXXX, Little Creatures) who are themselves owned by Kirin. Another one bites the dust.
That's really depressing. What chance have real independents got against these faux independents who now have the muscle and financial backing of cash-laden mega-corporates?
 

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hiraethified
Interesting to note that loads of independent brewers pulled out of the 'Beavertown Extravaganza' beer festival once they learnt that the company had flogged off a chunk to Heineken, just like the Brixton Brewery.

However, in some respects, this might not turn out to be the event that was originally envisioned. When Beavertown announced in June that they had sold an unspecified minority stake of their business to multinational brewing giant Heineken, a significant number of the brewers who had originally planned to attend Beavertown Extravaganza expressed disappointment, and pulled out of the event. Subsequently, Beavertown reduced the price of the tickets from the original £65, offering refunds for ticket-holders who no longer wanted to attend.
The Best Beer Festivals In London In September 2018

The statement from Cloudwater was quite damning:

If we had known early this year that Beavertown was working on a minority sale to Heineken, the world’s second biggest beer company behind AB InBev, we’d have pulled out months ago. It is a source of deep frustration that leaves us feeling a little used that around the time tickets were released for sale, a deal was likely already being drawn up with Heineken.

Pulling out in public with an announcement, rather than pulling out behind the scenes was the right thing to do, though the foundation of this outcome was laid by decisions out of our hands, and against our values. We could not have lived with ourselves to get any closer to the event without letting you all know where we stand.

Other breweries will make their own decisions - based on already-paid-for travel plans, their personal and professional relationships with Logan and the team at Beavertown, and many more reasons - but our decision to withdraw is based at its core on us standing up for independence, and standing against disturbing corporate tactics employed by big beer that should never have any place in craft beer.

Your favourite breweries haven’t ever used a brand to hold taps back from Irish craft breweries whilst mocking them, or received a €31.5 million fine for breaking competition laws in Greece, or been accused of allowing the widespread sexual abuse of employees, or agreed a financial settlement with workers in the Democratic Republic of Congo after being accused of collaborating with a rebel movement to breach workers' rights, or been challenged over involvement in labour-broking practices in South Africa. Further reports that detail relationships with dictators, tax evasion, human rights failures, and even operating within genocidal regimes are also deeply worrying. Beer does not exist in a vacuum.

Beavertown have made an almost peerless contribution to craft beer in the UK, for which we remain deeply grateful. They have made stable jobs for some of our favourite people in the industry, but alignment with Heineken’s values, who not only just became a substantial financial backer, but who will likely become their biggest customer, runs against the values, and stability of independent breweries in the UK and around the world.

Not all bigger breweries are the same, and not all breweries that seek corporate investment do so at the expense of their wider independence. Some big breweries appear to operate with the principles we hold dear in modern beer, regardless of their age, reach, or size, whilst other big breweries throw their weight around and engage in tactics behind the scenes against modern breweries’ values and existence.
Cloudwaterbrew.co | Blog | Tough Calls And A Bigger Picture
 

BusLanes

Pedestrian
Oh I dunno, it is sort of what I expect at this point. Meantime, Little Creatures and all the grandaddies of the newish brewing movements have been tapped on the shoulder and many have sold out. Hard to see why the new wave wouldn't
 

alex_

Well-Known Member
Oh I dunno, it is sort of what I expect at this point. Meantime, Little Creatures and all the grandaddies of the newish brewing movements have been tapped on the shoulder and many have sold out. Hard to see why the new wave wouldn't
I think the really tricky bit is when people who have always banged on and on about independence sell out - that means it was all lies ie Beavertown.

People who were more up front about their objectives have got a lot less grief - fourpure.

Alex
 

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hiraethified
I think the really tricky bit is when people who have always banged on and on about independence sell out - that means it was all lies ie Beavertown.

People who were more up front about their objectives have got a lot less grief - fourpure.
The Brixton Brewery still insist that they're "independent."
 

alex_

Well-Known Member
Oh I dunno, it is sort of what I expect at this point. Meantime, Little Creatures and all the grandaddies of the newish brewing movements have been tapped on the shoulder and many have sold out. Hard to see why the new wave wouldn't
This is after all why most of them do it.

I don’t have a problem with the ones who sell out to mainstream brewers, I have a problem with the ones who sell an independent image and then sell out to mainstream brewers.

Alex
 
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CH1

"Red Guard"(NLYL)
This stuff was on at the Beehive on Thursday. One customer disappointed that Guinness was off tried it on my recommendation - "a bit strong!"

They used to have Titanic beers (from Stoke on Trent) a lot about 10 years ago so was a nice treat to have this strong Russian Stout as a special
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hiraethified
We're hoping to release a fresh batch of Coldharbour Courage (our delicious charity beer) but aren't chuffed to see that the multinational, recently arrived mega-backed Brixton Brewery are now pushing a similarly named lager. as far as I know they have zero connection to the street and we were here long before them - and we're not about selling off out business for $$$$$$$.
 

alex_

Well-Known Member
This stuff was on at the Beehive on Thursday. One customer disappointed that Guinness was off tried it on my recommendation - "a bit strong!"

They used to have Titanic beers (from Stoke on Trent) a lot about 10 years ago so was a nice treat to have this strong Russian Stout as a special
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Titanic beers are tremendous.
 
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