Discussion in 'Brixton' started by CH1, Jun 6, 2016.
Greene King - Wikipedia
I drink all sorts of stuff, most of which these days I luckily get given for free as part of my band/DJ rider. So I'm not fussed, but I do enjoy craft beer and also shit lager sometimes. So now you know. Whoopeedo.
But just to make sure you don't look like the kind of sad twat that has to resort to shit ad hominem arguments when they find themselves losing ground, please explain why my personal choice of beverage has any relevance whatsoever to a discussion about whether a corporate backed brewery can be classed as a true independent. Thanks.
Any why are you even posting this up?
Do they pay London living wage?
They're in Bury St Edmunds!
How many more stupid questions are you going to ask here, FFS?
They have many, many pubs in London!
I think he thought my comment about green king was serious.
I was hoping for some enlightenment from the article below, but minimum wage not mentioned.
It does however helpfully state that Mr Rooney Anand, Greene King's CEO originally worked managing building sites for Tarmac at the age of 19.
When Anand came to Greene King, his predecessor was descended from the Kings on bis mothers side, and the nephew of Graham Greene was on the board
Incidentally Graham Greene (as well as being a weirdly depressing novelist) was the brother of Sir Hugh Greene - Director General of the BBC 1960-1989. Under Sir Hugh we had such innovations as Z Cars and Dr Who. He did not go down too well with Mrs Mary Whitehouse and her National Viewwers and Listeners Association. Whitehouse once commented: "Greene fully understood the destructive power of the satire. Why, knowing its power, did he also use it here against family life, Christianity etc? This is the heart of our complaint against Greene."
So there you have it - Greene King is simultaneously at the heart of the establishment, and also connected with undermining decent family values.
Greene King's Rooney Anand: 'As a CEO, you feel like your performance review is held in public every 12 weeks'
Not really. Well maybe you got one over on me I quite liked the 'small batch' comment though.
They also do Old Speckled Hen. And since then Old Crafty Hen and Old Hoppy Hen. Which is obviously an attempt to get on the bandwagon. They're not awful, but they're not great.
It’s not an ad hominem and I’m not attacking you. The idea that BB or Beavertown are now ‘bad’ because they have taken investment from a multinational has been quiet fierce, which makes one assume that you are opposed to them. And so it is a reasonable question to ask whether you are still prepared to drink beer backed by multinationals or not. And there are always situations when one has no choice (big gigs tend to mean Heineken or Carling or some other tasteless shit or bust).
Personally I think I’m neither losing ground nor a ‘sad twat’ (thanks - is that a personal attack or not?), and if you think that asking people whether they spend money with these maligned businesses is an ‘attack’ then you’ve missed the point. I was asked recently whether I spent my money in Acre Lane Tesco (re the LLW argument). My response was not ‘how dare you ask me that’, it was to explain where I try and spend it as frequently as I can.
I’ve also said I try and drink independent small brew beer when I can. I am interested in where you stand on that bearing in mind you are quite vehemently anti-corporate.
Can’t say simpler than that really. If you don’t want to express a position that’s fine.
On a lighter note, I've just had a couple of glasses of Bullfinch Cascade at the Sympathetic Ear on Tulse Hill. Genuinely one of the nicest beers I've tasted for a very long time. 6%, really hazy but not with that heavy syrupy feel you often get with the cloudy beers.
Aaaaaand, it was only £3.40 for 2/3 of a pint makes it about a fiver a pint, which for a small batch brew with bar markup at that ABV makes it quite good value for money. Sadly not in cans...
(it's the one right at the bottom of the page)
Who has called them "bad"? Where?
And despite your best efforts to sidetrack the discussion and keep bringing my personal choices into it (which I've already answered), the argument was always whether a brewery that is almost half owned by one of the biggest brewing corporate on the planet could justifiably call itself "independent."
Interesting piece here:
Here's the original article:
Watch the Hands, Not the Cards — The Magic of Megabrew
I never thought I'd read the sentence " legacy premium brands (Bud and Bud Light)"!
That is a great article.
They're awful, but they are immensely popular and, as that article explains, rightly described as "premium." I didn't know that they were made from "30% rice in addition to hops and barley malt," mind.
But here's something I don't understand. Brixton Brewery say that they are still a member of the Society of Independent Brewers yet a Guardian article from last year stated:
More: Indie brewers fight back in bitter row over beer brands' craft credentials
And: Camden Town Brewery founder insists big can also be beautiful
And yesterday it was announced that Fourpure (Bermondsey) have been bought entirely by Lion (Castlemaine XXXX, Little Creatures) who are themselves owned by Kirin. Another one bites the dust.
That's really depressing. What chance have real independents got against these faux independents who now have the muscle and financial backing of cash-laden mega-corporates?
AntiHipsterMin -availabe at the Beehive while stocks last
Interesting to note that loads of independent brewers pulled out of the 'Beavertown Extravaganza' beer festival once they learnt that the company had flogged off a chunk to Heineken, just like the Brixton Brewery.
The Best Beer Festivals In London In September 2018
The statement from Cloudwater was quite damning:
Cloudwaterbrew.co | Blog | Tough Calls And A Bigger Picture
Oh I dunno, it is sort of what I expect at this point. Meantime, Little Creatures and all the grandaddies of the newish brewing movements have been tapped on the shoulder and many have sold out. Hard to see why the new wave wouldn't
I think the really tricky bit is when people who have always banged on and on about independence sell out - that means it was all lies ie Beavertown.
People who were more up front about their objectives have got a lot less grief - fourpure.
The Brixton Brewery still insist that they're "independent."
I’m sure by some definition they are.
Not by the definition of all the true independent breweries who are boycotting the likes of Beavertown.
This is after all why most of them do it.
I don’t have a problem with the ones who sell out to mainstream brewers, I have a problem with the ones who sell an independent image and then sell out to mainstream brewers.
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