Beautiful Victorian Spitalfields shopfront gets painted over 'Butter Believe It' tossers

Discussion in 'London and the South East' started by editor, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    45 quid a cake isn't bad going either.
     
  2. Reno

    Reno The In Kraut

    I feel split on this. On one hand, the previous shop front looked far nicer and I loathe these cutesy cake shops. On the other hand, cities are ever changing and if you turn them into museums, they stagnate. If you have a shop you want it to represent what it's selling.

    Maybe when it comes to listed buildings, what is listed has to become more specific and some compromise could be reached. So they could specify that the can cover the shop front, but essentially not alter it so its preserved. Looks like they may have done that, in which case I'd be fine with this, even if it is an eyesore for now.
     
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  3. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    how people do the maths is beyond me. how much is a shop in spitalsfields + business rates + running costs + over heads + etc? how many cookies would they have to sell every day, even at 3 quid a pop?
     
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  4. 8ball

    8ball BUY QUALITY SLAT NOW!!

    I'd expect a damn good cake.
     
  5. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i'd expect a damn big cake
     
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  6. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    The thing is that they've changed what was something of a local landmark that people knew and liked (and shared on social media) into a crap generic bright yellow piece of forgettable shit. I'm all for change too but there's already PLENTY of evidence of that around Spitalfields. This place stood out as it was a rare surviving link with the past.
     
  7. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    I guess I'm lucky I don't like cake.
     
  8. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    what sort of wrong un are you :(
     
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  9. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    They do custom orders, so would be catering for weddings, etc, I guess. This gives them a front to tout for that kind of business.
     
  10. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    my BiL used to run a bookshop, specialised in Spanish books in a big city with practically no competition he was very lucky, having to pay very little rent. i can't remember the exact maths, but he had to sell something in the region of 1000 books / month just to break even. he had connections to the uni etc, so they'd buy in bulk of him, once a year or so. he lasted for about 5 years, now he's highly in debt.
     
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  11. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Yeah. They'll certainly have needed a ton of money up front. Their mark-up will be breathtaking, though, if they do actually manage to sell anything. I used to work in a bookshop and the mark-up on books is tiny by comparison, especially for specialist books, for which you often only get 1/3.
     
  12. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    can't cost more than 10p to produce a cookie, inc ele, water, flour, labour, sugar etc.
     
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  13. 8ball

    8ball BUY QUALITY SLAT NOW!!

    :(

    They've been trading with the old shop front for a few months, they should have noticed about the locals feeling an attachment to it.
     
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  14. 8ball

    8ball BUY QUALITY SLAT NOW!!

    You should open a cookie shop. :)
     
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  15. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    i know. i find this thread strangely inspiring.
     
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  16. 8ball

    8ball BUY QUALITY SLAT NOW!!

    Just don't go opening a shop at Stonehenge and bulldozing that pile of rubble in the field.
     
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  17. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    nah, if anything it'll have to be Spitalfields, obviously.
     
  18. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    The biggest cost of a shop is never the stock unless it's really high end stuff. It's rent, rates and wages. The cost of the ingredients is almost irrelevant.

    Rent and rates on that place probably adds up to north of £4,000 per month. At least two people in the shop presumably want to earn something approaching average wages, so add another £4,000 per month once you've accounted for things like NI and infill for holidays. So that's £8,000 per month you're going to need to make in gross profit on the cakes you sell. Even at £3 per cookie and being open 7 days a week, you better sell 100 cookies a day.
     
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  19. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Unless it's a book shop.
     
  20. 8ball

    8ball BUY QUALITY SLAT NOW!!

    The cost of the wood pulp and ink will barely factor into things. :p
     
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  21. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    Depends on what kind of books, but I doubt it. The books aren't costing you £8,000 a month (see above) just to keep afloat.
     
  22. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    I dunno. You take books on sale or return, but you have to pay for them upfront, and you might take six months to sell-or-return them. On average you'll pay 50-60 per cent the cover price for them (maybe 40 per cent if it's a promotion), so that's at least half your takings on invoices.

    There's a reason nearly all small bookshops have disappeared, and those that remain, like Houseman's, are those that don't pay rent.
     
  23. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    ludicrous. 2800 cakes a months, and I think your rent estimate etc is conservative.
     
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  24. maomao

    maomao 四月她爹

    What the fuck is a hipster then? Cause if this is aimed at hipsters hipsters are a fuck of a lot richer than I took them to be. Surely this is aimed at the walking wallets in the square mile rather than any hip young crowd. What's 'hipster' about it? Spitalfields isn't hip it's just expensive.
     
  25. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    So it means you need to sell £16000 of books per month as a base level. About 400ish a week? Open for 6 days a week, 7 hours a day and it’s about 10 an hour or one every 6 minutes consistently all week. Every week.

    Surely nobody who does these numbers can ever think opening a shop is a good plan. I think most people who go into it just don’t do the calculations
     
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  26. 8ball

    8ball BUY QUALITY SLAT NOW!!

    ...if you're doing it as a hobby and don't need any money to actually live on.
     
  27. hash tag

    hash tag never too old

    I popped into the market yesterday for a nose around and lunch...lost so much character and soul since last time I was there and the work is still ongoing :facepalm:
     
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  28. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    My costs include average wage for two people
     
  29. 8ball

    8ball BUY QUALITY SLAT NOW!!

    I think that's what hipster means. Except with a stripy t-shirt, a fixie and a waxed moustache.
     
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  30. 8ball

    8ball BUY QUALITY SLAT NOW!!

    Ok, didn't realise one of them was the owner.
     

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