Beatles v Kinks

[Dubversion]

that also is an absurd assertion - you only have to look at the way the music press privileged Oasis over Blur to realise that the situation is exactly the opposite of what you're suggesting. Plus, the Beatles weren't exactly working class.

The middle of your post barely makes sense, so i'll skip that bit

 

[Jambooboo]

The middle of your post barely makes sense, so i'll conveniently skip that bit

Amended.

 

[Dubversion]

so you don't have a response to the main part of my post, then?

 

[Dubversion]

OK, let's take this apart, shall we, since you're so insistent.

But you're admittedly talking about 'popstars' who are associated and therefore famed by their name, rather than bandmembers who are not.

And I imagine that many of the popstars you refer to are from the 1980's to the present day, whereby the cult of celebrity, (often bought) media hype and instant fame has emerged.

I know the names of members of lots of shit bands from the 50s to the present day. I could name all five members of all 3 main 70s line-ups of Deep Purple, hardly part of the 'cult of celebrity'. Does this make Deep Purple a better band than the Kinks, of whom I could only name two?

It's a shit argument, even by your standards

 

[phildwyer]

Plus, the Beatles weren't exactly working class.

Yes they were.

 

[soulman]

The Kinks were a middle class, middle england, art school band and TBH the Small Faces did what the Kinks tried to do so much better. The Beatles were, with the possible exception of Lennon, working class and learnt their trade the hard way in the clubs and brothels in Hamburg. As a band, and as people they developed, and their songs shaped modern music in a way the Davies brothers could only dream about. I bet if you asked Ray or Dave Davies who was the best they would admit it was The Beatles...

 

[phildwyer]

"Time goes by and he pays off his debts
Got a tv set and a radio
For seven shillings a week"

Sorry Ray, we can't all afford a fucking private cinema in our mansion. Wanker.

 

[northernhord]

I just read a review of a book about the kinks and it said that the davies lads were working class North londoners

 

[Neva]

The Beatles are obviously a much better band that The Kinks but I voted for The Kinks by mistake.

Woe is me

 

[phildwyer]

"And all the houses in the street have got a name
cos all the houses in the street they look the same
Same chimney pots, same little cars, same window panes"

Ah yes, these plebs really do have the most vulgar taste do they not, just look at their vile little cars, why can't they all have Rolls Royces like you eh Ray? Wanker.

 

[Iam]

I don't really care, to be honest.

I'm going to vote for crack with Al Jourgensen, I think.

 

[soulman]

I just read a review of a book about the kinks and it said that the davies lads were working class North londoners

Muswell Hill, and then on to art school in the early sixties...

You stick with the posh Londoners mate.

 

[Dubversion]

being a grown-up, i tend to judge bands by their music rather than what their parents did for a living

 

[northernhord]

Muswell Hill, and then on to art school in the early sixties...

You stick with the posh Londoners mate.

That,s bollocks that mate, I come from a Council Estate in Salford and went to Uni and I aint posh or middle class

 

[dweller]

I can't believe the Kinks are winning this poll.
Then again I can - the Beatles aren't the "less celebrated underdog"
so they can't possibly be the best

 

[soulman]

That,s bollocks that mate, I come from a Council Estate in Salford and went to Uni and I aint posh or middle class

And you went to uni when HE had been made more accessible, access courses and that. We're talking bout the early sixties see...

 

[northernhord]

And you went to uni when HE had been made more accessible, access courses and that. We're talking bout the early sixties see...

Nar I got to Uni cos I did really well on me access course and not cos the system felt sorry for me and gave me access, but if the Davies lads are Working class North londoners, which they are then how did they get into Uni then?

 

[soulman]

Nar I got to Uni cos I did really well on me access course, but if the Davies lads are Working class North londoners, which they are then how did they get into Uni then?

Hang on they're working class cos you read it in some review of a book, not even in the book itself. You believe everything you read matey?

 

[northernhord]

Hang on they're working class cos you read it in some review of a book, not even in the book itself. You believe everything you read matey?

That's summut I read very recently that's why i mentioned it, I watched a progamme about the Davies's a few years ago which talks about their workin class roots

 

[Spion]

Oh, who fucking cares what class they were? I really don't see the importance

 

[northernhord]

Class aint that importent in many ways with Music, but once you start looking at peoples experiences it can be importent

 

[soulman]

This is a load of pointless shit but it's pointless shit you started with this:

Ah right see what your getting at Bro, although not a fan of the Posh Scousers I like one or two from their later stuff, bitsa the white album

The onus is on you to provide evidence that The Beatles were posh.

Meanwhile I'll bask in the knowledge that the Beatles were by far the most innovative and creative band of the two.

 

[northernhord]

This is a load of pointless shit but it's pointless shit you started with this:



The onus is on you to provide evidence that The Beatles were posh.

Meanwhile I'll bask in the knowledge that the Beatles were by far the most innovative and creative band of the two.

You started this by saying the Kinks were Middle class , I simply answered you mate
I dont have to prove what class the Beatles are cos it was only Lennon who was middle class.

 

[Dubversion]

pointless shit you were happy to perpetuate soulman, until you were proved totally wrong, but now you're keen to move on.

 

[Spion]

I think class is fundamental to society, but I find the spewing out of the middle class/working class labels on Urban to be meaningless 99.999% of the time. Like now, for example. Anyone who thinks it that important to their music should say why it is rather than just say 'ooh, they're middle class'.

 

[soulman]

pointless shit you were happy to perpetuate soulman, until you were proved totally wrong, but now you're keen to move on.

I haven't been proved wrong you fool.

 

[northernhord]

I think class is fundamental to society, but I find the spewing out of the middle class/working class labels on Urban to be meaningless 99.999% of the time. Like now, for example. Anyone who thinks it that important to their music should say why it is rather than just say 'ooh, they're middle class'.

The experience of the happy Mondays expressed lyrically will be very different to that of Blur, I find some of the Class perspectives interesting in Music, that's all

 

[northernhord]

I haven't been proved wrong you fool.

So which bit of the arguement were you right about then Souly, tell?

 

[Meltingpot]

Who was best?

For lyrics, probably the Kinks though it's close (Ray Davies was a superb observer / chronicler of the times he lived in), but for musical innovation, the Beatles by a country mile. The one thing the Kinks can claim to have originated was heavy metal.

In all honesty, it's not really fair to compare anyone to the greatest band of all time; the Kinks were a very good pop group, whether or not they stood comparison to the Beatles, and "Waterloo Sunset" is one of the greatest singles ever IMO.

 

[ohmyliver]

In 30 years, most people won't know who the Kinks are, but the Beatles will still be known, just like Elvis.

uhuh thats why no one remembers Link Ray, or Jerry Lee Lewis, or Bill Haley 50 years on

oh