Beatles - any good?

[dodgepot]

To be honest, i think this is quite a good yardstick to measure the character of the person. If anyone votes "Really Shite" then that person is an arsehole who is far more interested in being anti-populist and making arbritrary decisions on something to seem cool and anti-establishment and "alternative" rather than thinking things through.

or, more likely, they just really don't like the beatles.

 

[El Jefe]

Amazing for me.

To be honest, i think this is quite a good yardstick to measure the character of the person. If anyone votes "Really Shite" then that person is an arsehole who is far more interested in being anti-populist and making arbritrary decisions on something to seem cool and anti-establishment and "alternative" rather than thinking things through.
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don't be a prick

 

[DotCommunist]

Some quality pop. Revolver and Rubber Soul still stand as good albums today. Over-venerated yes, but not the epitome of shit some people say they are.

 

[El Jefe]

let's quote this AGAIN

Good people of Urban.

please please PLEASE could we all agree that sometimes it's possible to just not like something. To have no agenda, no stance, no point to prove, but to just not like it.

Stating a dislike for something does necessarily imply

• you're trying to look cool
• you're trying to look so uncool you look cool
• that you just haven't heard / seen the right track / album / book
• that it's reverse snobbery
• that you're just trying to be awkward
• that you think people who do like it are idiots
• that you're being homophobic / racist / classist / species-ist / dogmatic
• that you're part of a hipster mob

etc etc etc.

some people just happen to think that some things that some other people like is shit.

You'd think this wouldn't need spelling out, but there isn't a day goes by without someone invoking one of the above arguments to defend their favourite cultural sacred cow.

usually the fucking Beatles.

 

[D'wards]

let's quote this AGAIN

So fucking what - just cos some smartarse wants to answer his critics by identifying their arguments, 8-mile stylee, does not make it gospel.

 

[El Jefe]

So fucking what - just cos some smartarse wants to answer his critics by identifying their arguments, 8-mile stylee, does not make it gospel.

perhaps not, but it makes a valid point, and one that presumptuous little asswipes like yourself could perhaps consider instead of bleating on about people trying to be cool or iconoclastic.

Some people like different stuff to you. Get used to it, you dumb fuck

 

[Fedayn]

To be honest, i think this is quite a good yardstick to measure the character of the person. If anyone votes "Really Shite" then that person is an arsehole who is far more interested in being anti-populist and making arbritrary decisions on something to seem cool and anti-establishment and "alternative" rather than thinking things through.

Yes, yes of course that's what it always is...

 

[fogbat]

That's settled it, I'm voting for "Really Shite" now.

Aye - is there any way I could change my vote?

 

[spanglechick]

i like them. i end up feeling like it's a guilty secret, and i'm not quite sure why - but i find them pleasing to listen to. not every track's a winner, but there's a huge amount of their stuff that is good for a dance, and a little sing to myself.

 

[D'wards]

Oh Gawd, i've upset the post 10kers. Never a good idea on here.

Come on, cheer up fellas - have a listen to Got to get you into my life, or Everybodys got something to hide except me and my monkey, or Here, There and Everywhere, those songs are bound to put a smile on your collective smug face

 

[TrippyLondoner]

Gotta love how defensive beatles fans are! Attacking our post counts now eh?

 

[El Jefe]

Oh Gawd, i've upset the post 10kers. Never a good idea on here.

Come on, cheer up fellas - have a listen to Got to get you into my life, or Everybodys got something to hide except me and my monkey, or Here, There and Everywhere, those songs are bound to put a smile on your collective smug face

so because you like something I don't, that makes me smug?

WHat a fuckwitted way of looking at the world.

 

[El Jefe]

Gotta love how defensive beatles fans are!

it's like someone's actually punching them in their own actual face.

Rather than, you know, not liking the same thing.

 

[D'wards]

Come on, sing with me "Nahhh Nahhh Nahh NAH NA-NAH NAHHHHHHH"

I can understand that people might not like them, but calling the shite is strong. Would you call Shakespeare, Orson Wells or UB40 shite, just cos you didn't like what they did? I bet you dare not

 

[El Jefe]

Come on, sing with me "Nahhh Nahhh Nahh NAH NA-NAH NAHHHHHHH"

I can understand that people might not like them, but calling the shite is strong. Would you call Shakespeare, Orson Wells or UB40 shite, just cos you didn't like what they did? I bet you dare not

i don't believe I've actually called them shite. And UB40? Well, a good couple of albums to start with, but yeh - after that, shite.

What a curious example.

 

[Blagsta]

Come on, sing with me "Nahhh Nahhh Nahh NAH NA-NAH NAHHHHHHH"

I can understand that people might not like them, but calling the shite is strong. Would you call Shakespeare, Orson Wells or UB40 shite, just cos you didn't like what they did? I bet you dare not

UB40 have been shite since Signing Off and Present Arms.

 

[TrippyLondoner]

I call them shite because that's what i truly think of them. If you're not impressed by something, you judge it how you wish(i admit to being too defensive in the past but have since learnt from that immaturity).

 

[toblerone3]

I disagree with El Jefe.

 

[El Jefe]

I disagree with El Jefe.

fill your boots.

 

[D'wards]

i don't believe I've actually called them shite. And UB40? Well, a good couple of albums to start with, but yeh - after that, shite.

What a curious example.

That was a joke, a joke.

Well thats my argument, you can say "i hate them, don't like their songs at all" and that is totally fair enough, but you can't call a band as important and long-term sucessful as The Beatles total shite, which implies they cannot write songs, and all their output is worse than below par

 

[El Jefe]

That was a joke, a joke.

Well thats my argument, you can say "i hate them, don't like their songs at all" and that is totally fair enough, but you can't call a band as important and long-term sucessful as The Beatles total shite, which implies they cannot write songs, and all their output is worse than below par

Which is why I didn't call them shite.

I can't believe I'm having to explain this, but you're a bit slow: it's entirely possible to be fully aware of their innovation and impact and influence (which I'd argue is far from entirely positive), and still really really dislike the music they made. I can't abide it, i find it joyless and "crafted", lacking any real feel.

Me thinking that doesn't suddenly mean they didn't change the way albums were made and the music industry works, I wouldn't be arrogant enough to think that.

Unlike you, who IS arrogant enough to presume they know "the real reason" why someone doesn't like them.

 

[D'wards]

Remember you started on me over this, and i was arguing against people who called them shite, and you lept in with your size 9's, getting all abusive, therefore i believed it was safe to assume what your views on them were.

You are the one who peppered your arguments with insults such as prick and dumb fuck (where the fuck are you from, Minneapolis or something?) cos i don't share your viewpoint. You are the arrogant one chief, and you'd be escorted from the Question Time studio for that sort or argument techniche - its very childish and inane at best.

Come on, we're all adults here. Surely we can have a friendly disagreement? Ah, probably not on the internet, sucha thing doesn't exist, not even on these "enlightened" boards

 

[ovaltina]

I'll always have a soft spot for A Hard Day's Night because it was one of the 8 tracks my parents had when I was a kid and we used to turn it up and let the bass ring out (same for The Big Wheels of Motown) and for John Lennon's greatest hits, which was always on the tape player in the car.

Some of their stuff was indulgant though.

 

[Wilf]

Never my favourite band by some way; never produced anything near the top of my 'favourite albums list; certainly never had the best instrumentalists - but they were still the best band (whatever that means - and however subjective, 'best band of all time' probably does mean something). When you get beyond the hype, which to be honest isn't what keeps them at the top nowadays, its the songs. A high percentage of perfectly crafted songs - simple structures with a middle eight, good stories, witty. Luckily, they got out at the right time. Just imagine if they'd have gone prog rock or ended up with 38 minute synth solos..

 

[El Jefe]

Remember you started on me over this,

on the contrary, you posted this:

To be honest, i think this is quite a good yardstick to measure the character of the person. If anyone votes "Really Shite" then that person is an arsehole who is far more interested in being anti-populist and making arbritrary decisions on something to seem cool and anti-establishment and "alternative" rather than thinking things through.

which is arrogant, patronising, ignorant bollocks. To which I responded.

 

[Dandred]

Place your votes.

Hi Firky.


Great troll

 

[paulhackett]

Thou shalt not put musicians and recording artists on ridiculous pedestals no matter how great they are or were.
The Beatles... Were just a band.
Led Zepplin... Just a band.
The Beach Boys... Just a band.
The Sex Pistols... Just a band.
The Clash... Just a band.
Crass... Just a band.
Minor Threat... Just a band.
The Cure... Just a band.
The Smiths... Just a band.
Nirvana... Just a band.
The Pixies... Just a band.
Oasis... Just a band.
Radiohead... Just a band.
Bloc Party... Just a band.
The Arctic Monkeys... Just a band.
The Next Big Thing.. JUST A BAND.

 

[Wilf]

Thou shalt not put musicians and recording artists on ridiculous pedestals no matter how great they are or were.
The Beatles... Were just a band.
Led Zepplin... Just a band.
The Beach Boys... Just a band.
The Sex Pistols... Just a band.
The Clash... Just a band.
Crass... Just a band.
Minor Threat... Just a band.
The Cure... Just a band.
The Smiths... Just a band.
Nirvana... Just a band.
The Pixies... Just a band.
Oasis... Just a band.
Radiohead... Just a band.
Bloc Party... Just a band.
The Arctic Monkeys... Just a band.
The Next Big Thing.. JUST A BAND.

What about the Incredible String lot?

 

[toblerone3]

What about the Incredible String lot?

Just an ordinary string band.

 

[Wilf]

If I'd said 'what about The Band' it might nearly of been a joke.