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ill do stickers and will re work the linked web page for the met and add the code here plus a url onto to it now..
 
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Mobile phone camera would be more than adequate - I have done it again they are sure to be after to me now - inciting terrorism :hmm:
 
What would be best is to find the exact dimensions of the bit in white, and print stickers for replacing the text.
 
Personally, I smoke alot of crack so I'm paranoid as fuck and thus IMHO everyone acts suspiciously (see someone acting casual? That's fucking PROOF that they're deliberately acting relaxed so as not to draw attention to themselves). Seeing as the whole lot of you are obviously terrorists, it'd make much more sense for me and the few sane people left in the country, like Ian and Tony Blair, to barricade ourselves in the nations prisons whilst the rest of you blow each other up.
 
Crispy said:
What would be best is to find the exact dimensions of the bit in white, and print stickers for replacing the text.
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yes good thought.. if we print stickers a3 poster, do each one as pdf.. i do aim to do a spoof of the Met Page next few days, do some research for links etc.. going to add posters stickers there for free download, plus print some if people desire some give us a pm (this will happen but take a little time) the url is there all ready urbanparanoia.co.uk (knew it had use)
 
perplexis said:
The Police OTOH can invoke anti-terror legislation as grounds for confiscation, arrest, caution, warning, search under very broad circs.
Section 44 of the Terrorism Act (2000) covers this though I think it is frequently massively mis-applied.
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Mis-applied?

I thought the problem was that the new law was (deliberately?) vague - the legislation makes it an offence to be in possession of anything, including a photo, that could be useful to a terrorist.

So you could argue that more or less any photo in a built-up area could potentially be used to plan some evil doing, whether it was of the Houses of Parliament or Oxford Circus or Elephant & Castle.

I could be wrong!
 
It's a bit more than scaremongering. The 'Your Neighbour Could Be Your Enemy' campaign was bad enough. It was possibly the last straw with London as far as I was concerned. Waiting for a tube at Liverpool Street where no-one talked to anyone anyway and being confronted by a poster pointing fingers quite squarely at anyone dressed like a Muslim is apparently to dress.

That was bad enough, but these point the finger at anyone. The psychology says you may well be under suspicion. You use a digital camera. You use cell phones. You have visitors.

On the other hand, drug dealers do need lots of phones. Maybe they are right. Report the bastards and let the experienced people deal with them. Bin your surplus phones and cameras now.

The UK has gone totally fucking mad. Spain is not far behind mind.
 
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Anybody brave enough to try one of these out :confused:

If you did'nt get gunned down in a tragic over reaction it would be interesting to hear the official Police line on their use :confused:
 
stowpirate said:
If you did'nt get gunned down in a tragic over reaction it would be interesting to hear the official Police line on their use :confused:
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In a recent press conference, the Met described the victim as "suicidally idiotic" - "in dark times like this, taking a big camera on the tube is as stupid an idea as trying to hide a chair leg, keeping an MP3 player in a holster-like position or jumping the barriers. I completely stand by my officers descision to open fire. Of course, I can only offer my condolencies to the families of the fifteen bystanders accidentally killed in the incident, but if the police hadn't acted how and when they did and the victim really was a terrorist, it would have been a complete and utter bloodbath."
 
It is interesting to look at the restrictions imposed on amateur photographers in a real war - I have a copy of Miniature Camera World Magazine printed in November 1939 and the only things that were banned was taking photos of the military and anything associated with it. Amateur photographers were encouraged to carry on as usual. Here is a very topical bit from December 1939 which sounds like London today.

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What is interesting is the apparent attitude of the Police. A letter on page 37 which I have not scanned highlighted that if you were arrested they was still willing to listen and were even concerned that they may be breaching your rights - nowadays your guilty until you can prove yourself innocent.
 
stowpirate said:
What is interesting is the apparent attitude of the Police they actually was willing to listen - something very unusual nowadays.
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By the time you start policing based on fear, intimidation and rampant paranoia, common sense has already left the solar system. Besides, who wants to take responsibility for a fuckup? I was only following orders.
 
If you're taking photos outdoors anywhere in London, with so many CCTV cameras around how on earth do you manage not to get one in your pictures?
 
I've got the Scottish Sun in front of me now (its lunchtime, I'm late & all the good papers are taken, OK? :o ) & today it has a Front page & two full pages inside, plus editorial "experience" comments, about dangerous "SUSPECTS" taking pictures in Glasgow stations.

Yefucking-gods! :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
BennehBoi said:
I got nobbled just the other day by a couple of PCSO's -> full details below:
http://benneh.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/18/account-for-presence/ There's a link on there to a free UK rights leaflet, and how to write to your MP online in support of Austin Mitchells early day motion concerning the rights of photographers.
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Twats just being twats for the sake of it mostly.

I used to get Starbucks employees giving me the same. Mostly because they were all anti-capitalist, anarchist travellers who wouldn't settle for anything less than a fair wage by image and hated the thought of being exposed. So, as true anarchists do, they cited a false law and threatened me with calling the police :D

But, with snack bars and the like the operators/staff are more concerned about social security spies. They threaten you with the police. Make a fuss about peado stuff, do as much as they can to scare you away.

On the whole, in 5 years of photographing the areas surrounding 321 London Underground stations I found the police very polite. Only got stopped Twice and when I explained the project I was working on they left me alone.

It's not the apparent practice of such 'new' laws that bothers me. It's the poster campaigns and threats that don't really do anything other than make you, or me feel some wrong for taking photographs.

The poster campaign (if it's real) is well fucking wrong. But, I have never really had a problem with the police. Private security and unofficial security yes. The public yes. Generally you don't even need to know your rights, but it is always a good idea no matter what country you're photographing in.

'Grey hair' :D
 
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