BBC2 White Series

[butchersapron]

This is true, but I believe that the existing problems you mention are often made a lot worse by people in power and people in the media drawing attention to them, whatever their motives for doing so. Because people behaving themselves and getting along nicely (which is what happens most of the time in most parts of the country) is neither newsworthy nor is it much use as political currency, so relatively minor problems end up looking much more common and widespread than they actually and you've got a classic self-fulfilling prophecy on your hands.

Of course top down intervention can make things worse, it can also make things better. That's a reality we can't afford to ignore - politically. It's one that the real harcore politcians (see london) have picked up on and made thie own - we're talking abour class unity and the troughers have built their networks behind our back - on the basis of that.

 

[butchersapron]

I went to see 'All White In Barking' today at the cinema.. the Director didn't know when he was making it that it was going to be part of some BBC branded season - so maybe take each film as it comes.

'All White In Barking' is worth watching.. even if you end up shouting at it.

Give us a review hollis

 

[SpookyFrank]

err it wasn't dreamnt up..

It was a bit. My skin tone does not define how I relate to other people, nor does that of the people I relate to. There is no 'white people' party line I am obliged to toe in my dealings with others, my actions are my own responsibility. The term 'race relations' only serves to reinforce the stupid and damaging notion that people fall into distinct groups with certain types of behaviour and certain attitudes based on what part of the world their grandparents were born in. There should be no different rules about how we should treat people from various backgrounds, there should be one rule and one rule only; treat people kindly and with respect and above all as individuals with their own opinions and their own mind. Worrying about how 'my lot' relates to 'your lot' is fucking stupid.

 

[cesare]

The trailer to this wound me up, maybe I should watch it

 

[butchersapron]

It was a bit. My skin tone does not define how I relate to other people, nor does that of the people I relate to. There is no 'white people' party line I am obliged to toe in my dealings with others, my actions are my own responsibility. The term 'race relations' only serves to reinforce the stupid and damaging notion that people fall into distinct groups with certain types of behaviour and certain attitudes based on what part of the world their grandparents were born in. There should be no different rules about how we should treat people from various backgrounds, there should be one rule and one rule only; treat people kindly and with respect and above all as individuals with their own opinions and their own mind. Worrying about how 'my lot' relates to 'your lot' is fucking stupid.

Nice in the abstract, but...

 

[SpookyFrank]

Nice in the abstract, but...

...but in the real world everything's gone to shit because the telly told me so?

It's not just when dealing with racial issues that it suits the establishment's purpose to play down the role of individual responsibility of course. Governments are among many systems which allow (demand) that individuals abdicate much of their responsibility for the world around them to some organisation or other (religions of course are also among these systems). To do so the individual must acknowledge to himself that he is part of group X and that this fact defines him in some way. If you let a person decide how to deal with other people on their own terms then they'll eventually figure out that all the categories are meaningless to anyone interested in things like personality, values etc. To avoid this problem, some clever bastard invented 'race relations' to allow everyone to think they're being nice to each other when in fact they are merely adhering to a carefully crafted system of stereotypes and social norms whilst continuing to judge people first and foremost by their ethnic background.

I'm going to stop now because I haven't seen any of these programs and I fear there is a small chance I may be getting ahead of myself...

 

[Hollis]

Give us a review hollis

That'd probably make you less likely to watch it.

 

[Firky]

The trailer to this wound me up, maybe I should watch it

I bet some bod called Harley thought the concept of that trailer up in about ten minutes and was given £10k for it.

...but in the real world everything's gone to shit because the telly told me so?

The world has always been a bit shit. Long before telly and mass media coverage.

 

[butchersapron]

OK - if you see society in these indivudalised terms followed by choice then fine. There's a possibilility that choice and structure co-incide somewhere. That's where the rest of us are at. See you later frank.

 

[butchersapron]

That'd probably make you less likely to watch it.

I'm going to watch anyway. I'd like to hear some peoples thoughts. Esp from somerset origination people.

 

[Spunkmonkey]

Prat.



err it wasn't dreamnt up..

You have the temerity to insult me????

I ask YOU sir, what do you know of the working classes?

 

[butchersapron]

Your name plays on the fact that two seperate words have substantially the same body and that they can be put together to make one word despite apparently dissonant meanings. You are a true genius. There's too few people trying to do that nowadays. It's a damn shame.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Because I once worked for a summer in my the factory that my father owns. So I speak from a position of knowledge.

This must be some kind of satire on middle-class wankers right? I mean, surely nobody actually thinks that pulling a few shifts in the factory you will some day inherit gives you an understanding of working class life?

 

[cesare]

This must be some kind of satire on middle-class wankers right? I mean, surely nobody actually thinks that pulling a few shifts in the factory you will some day inherit gives you an understanding of working class life?

Yes, I'm really not getting the impression that Spunkmonkey is some kind of latterday Engels in the making.

 

[Spunkmonkey]

This must be some kind of satire on middle-class wankers right? I mean, surely nobody actually thinks that pulling a few shifts in the factory you will some day inherit gives you an understanding of working class life?

No I believe it's important to know exactly what the prole's jobs entail - mainly to put the kibosh on all the pathetic little scams and dodges they're all so fond of.

I couldn't have done the job for more than a few weeks though, I'd have gone mad from boredom. The proles are used to it though and their brains aren't as developed as ours.

 

[SpookyFrank]

No I believe it's important to know exactly what the prole's jobs entail - mainly to put the kibosh on all the pathetic little scams and dodges they're all so fond of.

I couldn't have done the job for more than a few weeks though, I'd have gone mad from boredom. The proles are used to it though and their brains aren't as developed as ours.

I don't know if that's what you actually think or whether you're just making a pitiful attempt to be funny but whichever is the case could you please, please just fuck off

 

[Spunkmonkey]

I don't know if that's what you actually think or whether you're just making a pitiful attempt to be funny but whichever is the case could you please, please just fuck off

That's not very polite is it?

 

[nino_savatte]

That'd probably make you less likely to watch it.

 

[Roxy641]

White

Hi Plum,

before people start judging it before the series has even started, I hope (like me) they watch it and see for themself.

My worst fear that it would be a platform for the BNP, but nothing about the ad for the show would indicate this.

Roxy641

Here is a link http://www.bbc.co.uk/white/

It looks like the basis of the series is 'Is the white working class becoming invisible?'. I will try and watch it to see what the issue is, the majority of the series looks like it is actually about views from multicultural areas; Bradford, Birmingham, East London & a story of a couple moving to a muslim 'area'. It will be interesting to see who the BBC thinks represents the white working class, if nothing else.

Anyone interested in watching this?

 

[Hollis]

First one on tonight.. The closure of a Bradford Working Mens Club. Cain't wait.

 

[geoff64]

the fact that we find ourselves talking about the white working class, as opposd to the working class, simply demonstrates how far the invidious language and practicality of multiculturalism has infected political life. New Labour and the BBC - in fact most middle-class institutions - are responsible for this.

I really don't want to talk about the white working class or the black working class as seperate entities, but the m/c establishment has made it a socio-political currency it is impossible to ignore.

Why they have done so is worthy of debate. Is it down to a post-colonial guilt felt by the liberal intelligencia, or perhaps a calculated means of divide-and-rule in a post-communist world? In any case, the fuckers still exploit the w/c. Injecting race into so many social problems where, imo, it needn't belong, is a very effective diversion for a class that wants to continue putting down the rest of us, black and white...

 

[wishface]

unpleasant racist twats from Bradford force Wishface to switch off his tv.

 

[tangerinedream]

First one on tonight.. The closure of a Bradford Working Mens Club. Cain't wait.

It was crap. There's a suprise.

 

[smokedout]

i'm from bradford and that really pissed me off

not everyone's like that

 

[butchersapron]

i'm from bradford and that really pissed me off

not everyone's like that

Like what? Did you see it?

 

[cyberfairy]

i'm from bradford and that really pissed me off

not everyone's like that

I'm not from Bradford and it pissed me off as sure everyone not like that. The programme makers seemed to have their agenda from the start and through hours of filming got supporting evidence. It showed few people having fun, just grim embittered often rascist northern types and peole having petty squabbles. You could make the same programme about an awards ceronomy in London with as many grim embittered rascist types given a few days of filming.

 

[geoff64]

what i was left wondering by the programme is why bradford city council don't think it worthwhile to fund community groups like this.

Would they be able to?

 

[smokedout]

Like what? Did you see it?

boring, alcoholic, racist blokes crying into their beer

 

[butchersapron]

boring, alcoholic, racist blokes crying into their beer

Well done. And what next? Is your difference from them enough?

 

[smokedout]

i thought they were twats growing up listening to that shite and i think they're twats now

luckily blokes like that in bradford are actually in the minority by and large