BBC running with anti-anti-G20 propaganda

[Bakunin]

what? on 'shoplifting with impunity day' ???

Well, I do have my eye on a nice 60 inch flat screen TV and home cinema system I saw the other day.

And there's a nice E Type Jaguar in a showroom in London that I've been casing for a while.

Does that count as shoplifting?

 

[winjer]

Well, I do have my eye on a nice 60 inch flat screen TV and home cinema system I saw the other day.

And there's a nice E Type Jaguar in a showroom in London that I've been casing for a while.

Incitement? ;-)

 

[e19896]

I read that interview with Knight on Tuesday and knew that would happen sooner rather than later. I feel fucking sorry for the guy. He's obviolusly bumped his dead on something and when he came-to the first thing he saw was the words G-20 in some sartori-esque moment. Plus he must be near pension age. he can't very well return to academia after making a horses arse of himself like he's done over all this foolishness, just like the lecturer when i was at uni who got nicked offering someone a shuffle in a public toilets. someone should have had a quiet word in his ear and informed him his services were not required. Bone or mart should be doing any high-profile tv stuff or interviews as they're smart, have a sense of humour and don't come across as care in the community cases. all this tide of resentment against bankers and city fat cats has given anarchists probably the greatest opportunity and created an unprecedented number of folk who may have been receptive to their ideas if they were put forward in a populist way and devoid of any of the trappings of anarchism, politico speak or general extremist grandstanding but as usual they fuck it up and come across as much a bunch of cranks and as divorced from the mass populus as that lot who propogate the health benefits of drinking a glass of one's own piss first thing in the morning.

Well put see here for further thoughts on Chris Knight and The G20 protest.

 

[TopCat]

Well put see here for further thoughts on Chris Knight and The G20 protest.

How are the four of you going to carry out your threats to hang CK and those who sided with him?

<insert wanker smilie here>

 

[Harold Hill]

Where does this 'chinos and loafers' email supposed to have originated?

 

[London_Calling]

Where does this 'chinos and loafers' email supposed to have originated?

[email protected]

 

[8ball]

I get the impression that the BBC are just parroting Government press releases when it comes to the G20.

 

[winjer]

Where does this 'chinos and loafers' email supposed to have originated?

One of the risk management companies coining it from such specialist advice.

 

[Bakunin]

I get the impression that the BBC are just parroting Government press releases when it comes to the G20.

Since Lord Hutton put their balls through a wringer over Iraq they've been shit-scared of saying or doing anything that might upset the powers that be.

 

[8ball]

I do find it amusing the ways city workers have been warned to dress down in ‘chinos and loafers’ or ‘think barbour coat rather than suit’, as if this somehow makes them down wid da street. Hey, how about telling them to come in wearing those ‘hilarious’ Rastafarian hats with dreads attached to them and wearing fake body jewellery so they can pretend to be violent anti-capitalists?

At this rate all the protesters will be coming in pinstripe suits and the bankers will be coming in dressed as crusties.

Utter glorious confusion.

 

[PacificOcean]

Since Lord Hutton put their balls through a wringer over Iraq they've been shit-scared of saying or doing anything that might upset the powers that be.

This.

As the Government controls the Licence Fee rate, the BBC doesn't want to rock the boat more than they need. They burnt their fingers with Hutton (a freeze to the licence fee followed that).

 

[London_Calling]

The BBC really took Our Great Leader's bait about constitutional reform this morning - where the fuck did that come from as he's touring the world and finding no one wants him to save them?

 

[chico enrico]

Well put see here for further thoughts on Chris Knight and The G20 protest.

my friend, i think perhaps you misunderstand me.

Im sure Knight is a perfectly decent and well-meaning old fellow. I just think he comes across as a complete fruit-bat with regards to this G20 lark and it is highly reprehensible that if indeed he is involved with any anarchist groups he has been allowed to portray himself as some kind of spokesman for the protests.

I would also say, before he or anyone on that link above starts wanking off about hanging people from lamposts they may wish to do a google image search for, say, the Byelorrussian partisan hangings in Minsk. It's not very nice and i doubt half the folk baying for blood on these forums would be capable of hanging out their washing so why come out with that crap. leave the psycho stuff to C18, it doesn't do anyone any favours. not to mention demonstrating just how divorced from reality you are if you think everyone who works in the city is some sort of barbour wearing toff.

also, whilst Jack London may have been a great writer i'd personally familiarise myself with his opinion on 'the negro question' and slavery before lauding him as some great champion of the proletariat; "i consider myself a White Man first, and a socialist second to that", "we of white skin are to always remain top dog over all the other dogs" etc.

 

[Mindlessly]

Nope your wrong....we've been told to stay home on advice from the liability insurers. Should someone be hurt (like it would happen but that's a different argument) while coming to our from work - which is considered being "in service" - the employer could be held liable when it's possible to work from home.

I believe you have misunderstood.

The insurance company is liable to the firm which pays them for business lost....not for the injury you may suffer. The insurance company may decide that it is cheaper for them to pay for you to have 1 or 2 days off work then for you to suffer an injury and be off work for several weeks which they would have to pay for, not because they are liable for your injury, but because you are insured by the company you work for and any days you lose to injury may be days the insurance company will have to pay out for.

This does not mean that they are liable for injuries you might suffer on the way to work due to whatever reason, whether it is foreseeable or not.

There is just no position in tort for you to sue your company for injuries you suffer on your journey to work. You wouldn't even get past the first step of proving a Duty of Care. There is firstly proximity and secondly it wouldn't be fair, just and reasonable to impose that duty on your employer....for instance, when does your jouirney start? when does it end? what if you leave work, go for a drink til 9pm and then head home, is your employer still liable for you, all the time you were in the pub, and the journey home or is there a period when he is liable and when he is not, and what is the cut off point? What if you get really drunk adn don't head home til saturday morning at 6am when the night club closes....is your employer still liable for you?

It is ridiculous to think your employer will be liable and common sense should tell you it isn't the case.

There are exceptions, if your job was to work in a public place and your employer was aware that you would be at risk, such as an icecream salesman, or perhaps a parking attendant. They might advise you to stay at home, because while doing your normal employment you would be at risk. If you sit in an office and answer telephones, you are unlikely to be able to claim against your employer for injuries suffered while travelling to and from work.

 

[winjer]

I just think he comes across as a complete fruit-bat with regards to this G20 lark and it is highly reprehensible that if indeed he is involved with any anarchist groups he has been allowed to portray himself as some kind of spokesman for the protests.

He's (with his mates) organised his own meetings, so he's an obvious spokesman for his own event, no?

 

[e19896]

my friend, i think perhaps you misunderstand me.

Im sure Knight is a perfectly decent and well-meaning old fellow. I just think he comes across as a complete fruit-bat with regards to this G20 lark and it is highly reprehensible that if indeed he is involved with any anarchist groups he has been allowed to portray himself as some kind of spokesman for the protests.

I would also say, before he or anyone on that link above starts wanking off about hanging people from lamposts they may wish to do a google image search for, say, the Byelorrussian partisan hangings in Minsk. It's not very nice and i doubt half the folk baying for blood on these forums would be capable of hanging out their washing so why come out with that crap. leave the psycho stuff to C18, it doesn't do anyone any favours. not to mention demonstrating just how divorced from reality you are if you think everyone who works in the city is some sort of barbour wearing toff.

also, whilst Jack London may have been a great writer i'd personally familiarise myself with his opinion on 'the negro question' and slavery before lauding him as some great champion of the proletariat; "i consider myself a White Man first, and a socialist second to that", "we of white skin are to always remain top dog over all the other dogs" etc.

Agreed:

How are the four of you going to carry out your threats to hang CK and those who sided with him?

<insert wanker smilie here>

Do you agree with him? now it is for the want of a better world, we are anarchist and it is nothing more than an headline, just the same posturing as class war for an example, so you by your comment would you then say class war are wankers who have said in the past and present such comments, if we was to place into a wider class perspective of why we feel like this would that make it allright, and was Chris elected or imposed as some kind of leader, in this context i.e. the media, and some anarchist being there just for the glory and a ruck go along with this, what needs to be asked what further damage has he done to anarchism, would it not have been more wise not to have taken his side, and say Ian Bone become the voice of anarchism, I know which idd prefare to have, yes Ian Bone and not some self elected Middle Class person.

Therfor it is right to say what we have said when placed into context, of course 4 anarchist from South Yorkshire are not or neither have the desire and means to follow through our comments, just as the same coming from the mouth of Chris, we are not the vanguard of anarchism neither is he, the people involved in next weeks protest are neither the vanguard, just a bunch of Middle Class soap dodgers, and it comes down to which side you are on:

 

[grubby local]

they are calling us names/writing government or policelines>we can't change what they write>set up your own media.
gx

 

[TopCat]

Agreed:



Do you agree with him? now it is for the want of a better world, we are anarchist and it is nothing more than an headline, just the same posturing as class war for an example, so you by your comment would you then say class war are wankers who have said in the past and present such comments, if we was to place into a wider class perspective of why we feel like this would that make it allright, and was Chris elected or imposed as some kind of leader, in this context i.e. the media, and some anarchist being there just for the glory and a ruck go along with this, what needs to be asked what further damage has he done to anarchism, would it not have been more wise not to have taken his side, and say Ian Bone become the voice of anarchism, I know which idd prefare to have, yes Ian Bone and not some self elected Middle Class person.

Therfor it is right to say what we have said when placed into context, of course 4 anarchist from South Yorkshire are not or neither have the desire and means to follow through our comments, just as the same coming from the mouth of Chris, we are not the vanguard of anarchism neither is he, the people involved in next weeks protest are neither the vanguard, just a bunch of Middle Class soap dodgers, and it comes down to which side you are on:

I can't understand anything you write really.

 

[TopCat]

Do you know that Ian bone has two degrees? Does this not make him middle class?

 

[danny la rouge]

Do you know that Ian bone has two degrees? Does this not make him middle class?

Does it?

 

[fogbat]

Do you know that Ian bone has two degrees? Does this not make him middle class?

Does he have a Right angle?

 

[e19896]

Do you know that Ian bone has two degrees? Does this not make him middle class?

Depends in what context as you full well know, christ underclassrising in your thoughts are then middle class, 2 of us have degrees, one a home owner, and three of us work, fuck we need to be hung from a lampost.

You know where one is comeing from on this, you have been around as long as Ian and others, you know the media game here, and in these times would it not be a lot better to have a voice who knows and understands anarchism, dispite Ian and his faults at times i respect and love, sometimes dislike him in the same mesure, and would not agree with the whole of what he says, but what a powerfull voice of anarchism, what an opertunity and again pissed in the wind with the like,s of Chris you get what one is saying here.

Another wasted opertunity if you ask me, all becuase the soap dodgers are seemed to be more vocal, in years to come when they have there 2 point four childran, it will be on there cv, and anarchy will just seem an crass idea, all due to fact some people gave them trust, when they have done fuck all to earn it, Ian has and he needs to step up to the front..

 

[cesare]

There's a whole big facepalm about this shit. Such disconnection and retreat into ideology. It's almost as if none of you actually talk to the people you'd most like to get engaged with all of this.

 

[chico enrico]

I can't understand anything you write really.

yea, no offence to the lad, but i must say that a lot of e19896's posts read like they have been put through one of those 'online translation services' like i have to do when mako is pissed and forgets to write an email in english and translated from japanese kanji it comes out like:

Yesss!!! in zoo the monkey hahaha and ASS which his fingers relentlessly and with fervent purpose. i like.

etc.

 

[chico enrico]

There's a whole big facepalm about this shit. Such disconnection and retreat into ideology. It's almost as if none of you actually talk to the people you'd most like to get engaged with all of this.

well exactly, though to be frank i sometimes doubt a lot of the folk who come out with this stuff are really too concerned with communicating ideas to those who wouldn't normally engage in protest, let alone call themselves radicals in the first place. i mean, there wasn't all this fannying about and internecine feuding before the poll tax riot was there? there was just a load of folk who were pissed off and they ended up doing what everyone expected. same as mayday 2001. this is all just weird.

 

[chico enrico]

Another wasted opertunity if you ask me, all becuase the soap dodgers are seemed to be more vocal, in years to come when they have there 2 point four childran, it will be on there cv, and anarchy will just seem an crass idea, all due to fact some people gave them trust, when they have done fuck all to earn it, Ian has and he needs to step up to the front..

kind of know what you're getting at, but i'd say why does there need to be anyone atall? this isn't like when CW went to henley or whatever, and i would have thought there may be a risk of incitement charges being brought after the smoke clears. so why put yourself on the line? if some mug wants to have their five minutes glory threatening to burn the city to the ground and garotte the stock exchange that's their look-out. i kinda doubt they're gonna see their biography stacked anywhere between bakunin and zapata in the near or far future.

 

[cesare]

yea, no offence to the lad, but i must say that a lot of e19896's posts read like they have been put through one of those 'online translation services' like i have to do when mako is pissed and forgets to write an email in english and translated from japanese kanji it comes out like:

Yesss!!! in zoo the monkey hahaha and ASS which his fingers relentlessly and with fervent purpose. i like.

etc.

There's a combination of his own writing and his c&ps - all adding to the confusion. It's not hard to get at what he's saying really. I don't agree with a lot of what I think he means. Not sure that I want to go down the route of aiming at how he puts it though.

 

[cesare]

well exactly, though to be frank i sometimes doubt a lot of the folk who come out with this stuff are really too concerned with communicating ideas to those who wouldn't normally engage in protest, let alone call themselves radicals in the first place. i mean, there wasn't all this fannying about and internecine feuding before the poll tax riot was there? there was just a load of folk who were pissed off and they ended up doing what everyone expected. same as mayday 2001. this is all just weird.

Exactly. Strength of feeling akin to poll tax might/will build up anyway. But it's not there yet. It's good that people can protest, we should, let's get in practice. But it's not some great showdown yet. It's a bit like going in with all guns blazing when the rest of the population are saying 'eh, you wot?' Good to get people moving, but stupid as hell to position it as a show down.

 

[bluestreak]

well exactly, though to be frank i sometimes doubt a lot of the folk who come out with this stuff are really too concerned with communicating ideas to those who wouldn't normally engage in protest, let alone call themselves radicals in the first place. i mean, there wasn't all this fannying about and internecine feuding before the poll tax riot was there? there was just a load of folk who were pissed off and they ended up doing what everyone expected. same as mayday 2001. this is all just weird.

I think it's because the anarchist movement has had a long time in the sidelines, marginalised and infighting. Now all of a sudden even people who have had very little action in years are finding that there are people practically queueing up asking for advice... hey anarchists, what do we do? we um and ah, and instead of saying get out there and twat 'em we're carefully trotting out all these rabble rousing spiels from the depths of our egos and leaving them with confused looks on their face.

Go out and make your own destiny. If you want to march, march, if you want to smash shit up, smash shit up. Question everything from everyone. Have fun.

 

[cesare]

The anarchists marginalise themselves though bluey. There's loads that are down to earth and just doing stuff in the community. But there's a tiny minority that are attention seeking and wanting a ruck. Mind you, that's fairly much how every strata in society plays out.