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BBC News getting as shite as ITV's...

I liked how Newsnight got right onto Chinas effort to create an 'Empire' (it's really a hegemone) in Africa last night.


Yet doesn't do anywhere near the same for the middle east. Funny that.
 
In my office we have Sky "BREAKING NEWS" News on a TV approx 50 cm from my head eight hours a day for the past six years.

I'm going mad...:(
 
DrRingDing said:
I liked how Newsnight got right onto Chinas effort to create an 'Empire' (it's really a hegemone) in Africa last night.


Yet doesn't do anywhere near the same for the middle east. Funny that.

It's 'them' and 'us', innit?
 
maximilian ping said:
its a good measure of a news outfit when you have broken a story and see what they do with it.

a colleague and i came out with the story of a load of prisoners a couple of months ago who were to recieve compensation from govt for going cold turkey in prison. the BBC lunchtime news used it i think as their top story, but, by the way it was reported, it seemed that either no-one at the BBC had a clue as to what it was actually about or that they were dressing it up as something it wasnt.

the story ran as 'prisoners will get money off the govt because the nasty prison service stopped them taking drugs in their cells'. whereas the real story was 'inmates forced to go cold turkey/buy drugs in jail because when they were banged up they had their methadone scripts stopped'

i could not believe that the best media org in the world could be so dumb

mind you, compared to what i see the Independent do with news stories, the BBC look imperious
I was really pleased to see that issue covered, not least because I met and briefly got to know a woman who later committed suicide in Styal because of that very issue, which she was unable to cope with. A very sad and tragic loss of a life. A tragedy that was easily avoidable. Thank you for highlighting that.
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
I fucking hate news presenters stood up.

You should never see a newsreaders legs*.

Get back behind a desk where you belong :mad:

*Angela Rippon excepted of course.
Was quite funny, my first time in a newsroom, when I realised that although the newsreaders looked quite smart from the waist up, all shirt and tie/blouse and jacket, below the desk they were wearing jeans and trainers. Can't get away with that nowadays.
 
hendo said:
If you don't like what we do, then e-mail us

Not to say that feedback should be discouraged, but this is another trend by the BBC i find irritating - all this "tell us what you think" and "send us your pictures". I want my news told to me straight and i have no interest in the opinions of some Daily Mail rattling outraged person.

In the "review" of Windows Vista recently, a bunch of secondary school kids were asked what they thought compared to Apples. FFS, who gives a fuck? I would rather a technology expert was asked instead of some kid going "yeah...but...like, i fink Macs are better, 'cos...like it looks better and stuff innit?". Talk about dumbing down :rolleyes:
 
hendo said:
Some of you may know I work for BBC News. I read the criticisms and I think this: that personally speaking I'm proud to work for Aunty. It remains, in my view, and many others, the best around at what it does.

We may get beaten from time to time, but no outfit is invincible. I've worked for ITN and an ITV region before that, and the Corporation has no monopoly on people of quality. But we have some top class correspondents deployed in places the competition is nowhere near. People like David Loyn who managed to get embedded with the Taliban last year; John Simpson whose reputation is unrivalled. I just pick two at random. There are many others who I'm proud to know, never mind work with.

The audiences for News 24 are increasing. We used to lose out to Sky; those days are gone. People are turning to us. They like the fact that the flexible technology means we can be live whereas before you'd simply see a tape package, that they can drop in on us at any point in the day and see headlines.

As we enter a time of fractured audiences, accessing the news in a myriad of different ways, the Beeb remains an outpost of quality which many people continue to trust. BBC Radio 5Live has its fans and for me Radio 4's Today and PM are must-listens if you want to know what's occurring.

Nobody would say we're perfect but audiences are getting more of a say in what we do. If you don't like what we do, then e-mail us. The people who make the real decisions here are listening more closely than they've ever done, and freely admit that the complacent days of us serving people with what we think they should see and hear are over.

But you haven't addressed at all what this thread is about
 
Relahni said:
I don't see why we should pay for the BBC? *

It's shite imo.

sport is shite
news - shite
strictly fuck off dancing - shite
other shite - shite


*actually, I don't and never have entertained giving money for a tv licence. They never caught me even though I subscribed to Sky.

Detector van my arse.

Yeah I reckon detector vans don't really exist. They just send menacing letters to people who haven't got TVs, since it's such a titchy proportion of the population (about 2 % I believe)

Although, how did you manage to get a TV, and Sky, without them finding out?
 
Macaroni Pony said:
Not to say that feedback should be discouraged, but this is another trend by the BBC i find irritating - all this "tell us what you think" and "send us your pictures". I want my news told to me straight and i have no interest in the opinions of some Daily Mail rattling outraged person

It's not just the BBC, to be fair - they're all at it.

We all know they just use a few glib messages to fill in some airtime till next next segment kicks in. They dress it up as being interactive and inclusive for the viewers, but it's just cheap filler. I don't think I've ever come across such a message read out, or scrolled on the screen that that was remotely enlightening or even entertaining.

Of course, if the news channels wanted to be really interactive they would revive the "election call" format, and let the great unwashed actually talk to our esteemed politicians live on air :eek:
 
hendo said:
The people who make the real decisions here are listening more closely than they've ever done, and freely admit that the complacent days of us serving people with what we think they should see and hear are over.

Fair enough points.

(We must have met at least once during my time at Stage 6... I was mainly working out of RCR but often covered N24 shifts)
 
Macaroni Pony said:
Not to say that feedback should be discouraged, but this is another trend by the BBC i find irritating - all this "tell us what you think" and "send us your pictures". I want my news told to me straight and i have no interest in the opinions of some Daily Mail rattling outraged person.

In the "review" of Windows Vista recently, a bunch of secondary school kids were asked what they thought compared to Apples. FFS, who gives a fuck? I would rather a technology expert was asked instead of some kid going "yeah...but...like, i fink Macs are better, 'cos...like it looks better and stuff innit?". Talk about dumbing down :rolleyes:

Isn't just "dumbing down", that "review" offered a useful marketing opportunity for MS and the BBC appear to be more than happy to deliver marketing information rather than proper news.

Aye, one should be wary of the "Tell us what you think" since this substitutes hard fact for dodgy opinion. But then, opinion formers - like the CBI, the IoD and so on, are often brought in to comment as 'experts' on economic affairs and economists, as we already know, do not exist in an ideologically neutral space.
 
nino_savatte said:
I'm not really sure about that either. Much of that is marketing too.

Not sure about your specific area but in NI it's really good. Talking about grass roots issues like agriculture and stuff like that.
 
The release of the new version of OS run on 90% of the worlds computers is newsworthy to a degree i suppose, but the coverage given by the BBC every time Apple announce a new product is positively sickening - they act like Apples marketing department.
 
Macaroni Pony said:
The release of the new version of OS run on 90% of the worlds computers is newsworthy to a degree i suppose, but the coverage given by the BBC every time Apple announce a new product is positively sickening - they act like Apples marketing department.

Probably because, like a lot of media organisations, they use Macs a lot. Though that's no excuse really.
 
DrRingDing said:
At times and at others it is black propaganda.
Isn't it all, though?

Vidi-felch prole-feed designed to terraform the minds of the listener into accepting without question the 'terms of debate' as dictated by the PTB.

Take (as you did) for example the 'debate' regarding the illegal invasion of iraq - almost the only points of view presented regarded the existence or non-existence of 'WMD'.

The whole question of whether 'planning and waging an aggressive war' against a sovereign nation (regardless of whether it has certain weapons or not - which we have and they didn't) should even be considered was completely excluded from the discourse.

In general, where a view contrary to that of the 'establishment' does get a few nano-seconds of airtime, the person invited to express it will invariably be the most timid, weedy-voiced inarticulate gimp that they can find, while the establishment viewpoint will be expressed by a smooth-talking articulate gentleman oxbridge graduate type, who will calmly re-assure the public that his opponent is somehow unaware of the *facts* and portray the opposing view as one based on an irrational, emotional and therefore invalid interpretation, rounded off by smugly implying that 'if they were only as calm, well informed and rational' as the oxbridge type, they would, of course, see sense.

Propaganda 101.

Post 'Hutton', their role (obligation) as a vehicle for disseminating propaganda regardless of the actual facts is more apparent.

Billions of 'newsworthy' events occur everyday, which necessitates 'filtering' of what ends up being spewed out of the millions of Telescreens and into the conciousness of the masses.

The question of who does that filtering and upon what criteria is one I rarely hear discussed, the assumption being that the 'content' that makes it past the filters is some sort of objective 'truth', and that by imbibing enough of that 'truth' we will be able to form a coherent, accurate view of the world.

That's not to say the odd thing doesn't get through. I'm reminded of Andrew Marr's look of bewilderment when he interviewed Noam Comsky back in '96. The fresh-faced Marr was interviewing the Chom on 'The Propaganda Model', when Marr seemed to get defensive about what was being described, suggesting that Chomsky was accusing him of self-censorship:

Chomsky said:
I don't say you're self-censoring - I'm sure you believe everything you're saying; but what I'm saying is, if you believed something different, you wouldn't be sitting where you're sitting.

(Vidi-felch here. ;) )
 
s far as I know AJ itself has also former BBC staff

For people outside the UK the BBC is in many aspects still much better then many other news channels (not only in the English language) but I have some problems with their so called in-depth reporting and the general tone lately.

Neverhtless.... to compare them with CNN is in my opinion completely impossible. If watching CNN you can never escape the impression that the people on your screen have a US flag waving in front of them while repetitive "USA Nr.1" plays on the auto-cue.

Maybe you are a bit spoiled... :)

salaam.
 
nino_savatte said:
Probably because, like a lot of media organisations, they use Macs a lot. Though that's no excuse really.

They don't use any Macs at News24 - not unless things have changed recently.

All their servers and Avids are on PC - they used to use old Macs for cutting way back in '97, but I think there's one Mac behind the gallery and that's it, out of 50 computers at least.

Heard they are trying to fit Macs on producers desks to save employing editors but doubt this would amount to much more than another expensive harebrained BBC scheme.
 
Macaroni Pony said:
... the coverage given by the BBC every time Apple announce a new product is positively sickening - they act like Apples marketing department.
Exchange Apple for Marks & Spencer. First Jeff Randall and now Robert bloody Peston, both act as the M&S PRs :mad:

Get some new contacts you lazy pair of f'wits!
 
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