Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
What is the source of the original "press release" in the OP?
Bbc Ban Anti-war Song
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I hope the record is a hit purely as a snub to Blair and as anindication of the popularity of the anti-war message (although I have the original which is much better so haven't felt the need to purchase this version)
This quote above is shite. Marches and rallies are indeed dismissed and ignored by the media, but the media really isn't the whole World. One march contributes more to building a movement than a second rate cover getting into the charts will. I'd be happier to see new vibrant original political music hitting the scene (whether hitting the charts or not). If we let the mainstream media set the agenda we would believe that the unions are dead, there is no discontent and the anti-war movement has vanished. (There was no strike on 31 Jan by up to 180,000 Civil Servants, there was no march last Sat in London of 50 - 100,000, there is only Jade Goody and the ghost of Diana)
But nonetheless any small step for the anti-war movement is a welcome one.
This quote above is shite. Marches and rallies are indeed dismissed and ignored by the media, but the media really isn't the whole World. One march contributes more to building a movement than a second rate cover getting into the charts will. I'd be happier to see new vibrant original political music hitting the scene (whether hitting the charts or not). If we let the mainstream media set the agenda we would believe that the unions are dead, there is no discontent and the anti-war movement has vanished. (There was no strike on 31 Jan by up to 180,000 Civil Servants, there was no march last Sat in London of 50 - 100,000, there is only Jade Goody and the ghost of Diana)
But nonetheless any small step for the anti-war movement is a welcome one.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
kyser_soze said:
If you were addressing treelover rather than any defenders of the song then I apologise.
btw - Respect builds itself around 'identity' politics?
What's wrong with 'working class' identity politics?
In what way does Respect build itself 'around a religion' other than by standing up for Palestine and against the war in constituencies with lots of Muslims?
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
What's wrong with it? I have no beef fostering class antagonisms.
chilango said:
Yeah but Respect isn't based on identity politics. There are all sorts of complicated dynamics about who votes for it how its developing and why etc etc, but the bottom line is basically left reformism (and it would be nice to have some before ppl get all holier than thou).
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Somehow I don't think they'll ever spend time formulating policy for a law to force slower drivers on single track roads to use passing places to allow other traffic to pass safely.mutley said:
This single is selling quite strongly, and has an excellent chance of making top twenty, top ten is unlikely, so I have learned. It's another Koopa story.
I agree that it is a shame the left is reduced to SWP posturing, but at the same time, when it comes down to it - if they are the only people making a stand against what I believe to be wrong, then I'm not going to pretend I don't agree that the Iraq occupation is wrong, and Iraq's existing government no more than placemen.
Which is a shame, as I still don't know what justification Blair has for going in there in the first place, and what he's going to tell the soldiers on all sides he meets when he dies, that's if there is a god, of course.
But I do hope there is, if only so I can watch him squirm when he speaks to, for example, the Iraq war veteran who topped himself the other day.
I agree that it is a shame the left is reduced to SWP posturing, but at the same time, when it comes down to it - if they are the only people making a stand against what I believe to be wrong, then I'm not going to pretend I don't agree that the Iraq occupation is wrong, and Iraq's existing government no more than placemen.
Which is a shame, as I still don't know what justification Blair has for going in there in the first place, and what he's going to tell the soldiers on all sides he meets when he dies, that's if there is a god, of course.
But I do hope there is, if only so I can watch him squirm when he speaks to, for example, the Iraq war veteran who topped himself the other day.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
laptop said:
You've clearly never lived on an estate if you don't think there's a strong sense of class position within traditionally working class communities. I may well be younger than you, but I've obviously been privy to more public speeches than yourself (not surprising really - I mean what can someone opposed to the SWP attend regularly anyway?) with lots of 'we the working classes', 'toiling masses', rhetoric. I think I must have attended more football matches than yourself, and found myself in the pub afterwards more often than yourself. I must have a better knowledge of traditional Labour Party election campaigning than yourself, with a wider repertoire of knowledge about their campaign material. Seriously, if you don't think there's a British working class identity, then what the fuck is being marketed to young loutish lads every World Cup with these Maccy D's adverts all over the telly, or how about HP sauce adverts?
As much as I abhor working class culture being used and marketed to sell shitty, uninspiring crap, I'm also not afraid to use it politically to get people all riled up about their economic position (which can easily be linked, you pompous, pedantic moron) as a factor of their working class cultural identity.
stfu and go talk to some real people - you ask me to grow up? Sad lamearse who can't even get up to real activism other than that which can be accessed via Internet Explorer.
Das Uberdog said:
Proof that you have no concept whatsoever of meaning of either the word "class" nor the phrase "identity politics".
And that what your are engaged in is a debased, corrupted version of "identity politics" founded on misrepresentation of everyone who disagrees you or is not a member of your cult as "the enemy".
I rather look forward to the ducking-stool
Would the BBC ban a record hoping to suppress it? Isn't that what happened to Frankie goes to Hollywood and Relax (Mike Reid refused to play it I believe) and that gave the record the publicity to become a hit. Isn't that what this press release trying to achieve? The sort of thing that Paul Morley did 20 odd years ago.
Das Uberdog said:
if only you knew, you clueless gimp
Karac said:
Maybe, but in this case, no. Das Uberdog has accused Laptop of being a mere keyboard warrior, I know this not to be the case. So - am i the gimp? Nope.
It's easy really
you appear to have contradicted yourself..
i'm sorry, that's neither relevant nor coherent. Childish, second hand turbo-island cast off nonsense, certainly.
So, back to the point. You've contradicted yourself.
So, back to the point. You've contradicted yourself.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
sorry but stop the war coalition lost my support when they told everyone after the big march prewar that the next action would be on the day war broke out... either infiltrated or fucking useless IMO
ok, i'll take it slowly for the hard of thinking.
you argued that Respect is leftwing (or, rather, that Laptop was 'talking shit' to claim otherwise).
he replied
to which you replied
The only possible interpretations is that 'it' (forming an alliance) is not leftwing. Therefore, it would appear that by doing so, Respect is also not leftwing.
So you appear to have contradicted yourself
you argued that Respect is leftwing (or, rather, that Laptop was 'talking shit' to claim otherwise).
he replied
to which you replied
The only possible interpretations is that 'it' (forming an alliance) is not leftwing. Therefore, it would appear that by doing so, Respect is also not leftwing.
So you appear to have contradicted yourself
free spirit
more tea vicar?
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