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liampreston said:
I'll try and bring this back to the original intention of the thread =)

The company I work for has recently taken on a contract for Wales, and honestly we are trying to learn a few phrases to please our clients..

Any chance of a quick translation for the equivilent for "That should be done now" or "Done".. in the context of a quick email reply to advise the request has been, er, done ?

Diolch yn fawr =)

'Now in a minute'
 
liampreston said:
I'll try and bring this back to the original intention of the thread =)

The company I work for has recently taken on a contract for Wales, and honestly we are trying to learn a few phrases to please our clients..

Any chance of a quick translation for the equivilent for "That should be done now" or "Done".. in the context of a quick email reply to advise the request has been, er, done ?

Diolch yn fawr =)

"That should be done now" or "Done"
it would be more like "that's been done now"
"mae e wedi wneud nawr"

done - wneud
complete - cwbwlhau

please note i am not 100% on spellings but i'm sure they'd get the gist.
or you could sub it out to me ;) :D
 
=) Well if you want to get paid per phrase..."Excavate in footway to clear blockages in duct"

Heh, I don't want to take the piss. I remember driving a German friend bonkers by asking him to translate everything, usually after a heavy night at the pub. To ensure I never asked him again, he refused to speak English until I swore never to ask again =P
 
Gavin Bl said:
1) the DD is like a hard TH really, as in The.

2) I think this was earlier on in this or the Siarad Cymraeg thread - its like a soft TH immediately running into an L, but there is something about it which is very difficult to pinpoint precisely in English, but the above approach will get you close.

The 'throat clearing sound' I think you mean CH, which is a letter in its own right as are LL and DD (as distinct from C, H, D and L), and is rather like the Ch in the scottish word, Loch - its a very throaty sound indeed.:)


hokey dokes :)

tbh i'm finding that i'm probably better off trying to learn to read welsh than speak it. i'd need to immerse myself in people who speak it to get proper translations.

i've been looking at the beeb learn welsh pages.

confuzzling stuff (i have to point out i have a total blank space when it comes to learning languages - unlike my mother who learnt 6 and my little brother who's steaming through 3 :()
 
The romantic streak in me loves any languages... and the ability to learn and speak another language amazes me... Much power (or wispec') to those who can.
 
I had to learn a bit of Welsh as a foreign language as part of my TEFL certificate. I can still remember everything from 6 years ago, only very basic stuff but I used to freak out my old Welsh housemate by giving her the weather forecast in Welsh. I liked that the number five was 'pimp' and a carrot was a 'moron'
 
llantwit said:
No we're just people who don't really care too much about the Welsh language either way, and who aren't too keen on having their choices over the languages their kids are brought up speaking taken away from them.

I'm not looking for an argument, but by insiting your child is'nt subjected to that horrible useless and dangerous language (Welsh), are you not taking the choice away from them? If they are fluent in both, then the can make the choice. if they can only speak English, they have no choice what langugae they speak unless they spend time learning Welsh as a second language when adults
 
ahem!

Ben Bore said:
I'm not looking for an argument, but by insiting your child is'nt subjected to that horrible useless and dangerous language (Welsh), are you not taking the choice away from them? If they are fluent in both, then the can make the choice. if they can only speak English, they have no choice what langugae they speak unless they spend time learning Welsh as a second language when adults

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=175617
 
i wish i'd grown up in wales just so i could speak the language, i think its fasinating and id really like to learn it, and i know i never will sitting on forrums all day. one day ill treat my self to an extensive welsh course, drop out half way through coz its to hard and then revert to english :D
 
Ben Bore said:
I'm not looking for an argument, but by insiting your child is'nt subjected to that horrible useless and dangerous language (Welsh), are you not taking the choice away from them? If they are fluent in both, then the can make the choice. if they can only speak English, they have no choice what langugae they speak unless they spend time learning Welsh as a second language when adults

Exactly the same argument can be made for the teaching of Kirghiz as a compulsary second language in Welsh schools. But why should children who live in areas which are not Kirghiz speaking be taught Kirghiz? After all if they are not taught it from an early age they cannot freely choose not to speak it in adulty life.

But such an argument is, of course, nonsense. As is the argument that all children should be taught Welsh from an even earlier age when we know that in the real world they will not make use of it in either their personal or work lives.
 
liampreston said:
I'll try and bring this back to the original intention of the thread =)

The company I work for has recently taken on a contract for Wales, and honestly we are trying to learn a few phrases to please our clients..

Any chance of a quick translation for the equivilent for "That should be done now" or "Done".. in the context of a quick email reply to advise the request has been, er, done ?

Diolch yn fawr =)

Contact the Welsh Language Board and a grant will be yours by the end of the week.
 
Gavin Bl said:
Are you actually shouting all this as you type it?
i reckon he's mumbling it stropily whilst rolling the eyes but with a *superior* and gleefull grin exuding a little spittle along the way.
:D
 
ddraig said:
i reckon he's mumbling it stropily whilst rolling the eyes but with a *superior* and gleefull grin exuding a little spittle along the way.
:D

Astounding how often clowns resort to personal insults when their line of reasoning is shown to be fallacious.

And there are grants available to businesses for help with Welsh language translations. Good advice check it out asswipe.
 
neprimerimye said:
Astounding how often clowns resort to personal insults when their line of reasoning is shown to be fallacious.

And there are grants available to businesses for help with Welsh language translations. Good advice check it out asswipe.
is that an insult lesson? :confused: none so precious as as an offendee going in for some ott retaliation. and can u fallate yerself? ;)

did u see the 'i reckon' and :D in my post or was the spittle obscuring some of the screen.
i know of what u elude to but it's just the way you do it ya see

e2a - how have u shown my line of reasoning to be fallacious btw :confused:
you did read the thread title didn't you? and obviously it's too much to politely ask you to save your venom for the specially created thread for you and your unmoveable 'ilk'
 
neprimerimye said:
Read my post made at 2.37 and find out.

A reply would be appreciated but beyond your limited abilities in all probability.
oooh get you...

can you not do post no's? :confused: or do you get a kick out of being difficult with everything?
 
neprimerimye said:
Read my post made at 2.37 and find out.

A reply would be appreciated but beyond your limited abilities in all probability.

so after a long and difficult hunt with my lomited abilities i found it.
and
1) what and where in that post is anything directed at myself?
2) where on this thread or any others have i argued against the points you so elloquently deigned to (sharing your obvious wisdom/'facts') put across to us plebs?
:)
 
neprimerimye said:
So the statistic you have quoted is something you heard on the radio? Given that I've never heard or seen a similar statistic anywhere else i cannot but conclude that you misheard something.Indeed you play rather loose with facts again when you assert that China has three languages. In fact it has dozens of languages. Although Han Chinese is spoken by the vast majority and the ruling class hae had a long standing policy of forcing it on minority groups.

Again you assert that 75% of the worlds populations are bilingual. And then use this as an argument for a fully bilingual education system in Wales. But the fact is that with not a single exception people only speak one language at a time. Very few peope being equally 'at home' in more than one language. There is no good reason to assume that people in Wales would break with this universal pattern and why should they?

Your vision of Wales as bilingual - begging the question of which language individuals will choose to speak to other individuals given a free choice - is utopian. Languages are no more equal than individuals. Certainly individuals should have equal rights and opportunities but it is crazy to believe that they are equal in every way. Similarly languages are not equal and even if by some magic everybody in Wales was able to speak both languages we would still live in a world in which Welsh is a minority language and English a world language spoken by hundreds of millions.

At most by boosting the number of Welsh speakers you would be boosting the market for Welsh medium cultural products. Assuming, an unwarranted asumption in my opnion, that people would choose such products over their English medum rivals in the market. In no other way would you be boosting Welsh culture, whatever that means, given that popular culture everywhere is increasing international - which in reality all too often means Anglo-Amercian of course - based on the bourgeois values of this society. Viewed in this way what is specifically Welsh about People of the Valley that differntiates it as such from Coronation Street or Manuredale?

To conclude we live in a society in which a world culture exists and i the tendencies towards it sfurther development are massive. Some such endencies are deplorable in my opinion and others very positive. But the development of such a culture and the sheer impossiblity for any national or minority language culture, 'Welsh culture' would of course be both, is clear for all to see. Your vision of a vibrant Welsh language based cuture in all parts of Wales is as utopian and socially reactionary as say the vision of Wales held by Saunders Lewis that we would all return to an agricultural Roman Catholc Wales.

Face facts Wales has two languages that are unequal. More state aid must be given to the minority culture as its speakers must also fight the market in order to prerserve and develop their language. But it is their language not ours thank you very much.

You said 3 o'clock...
 
rhys gethin said:
Every Englishman I've ever met has been told to say 'THL' got 'll', and its sounds HORRIBLE.

true, but its about as good as you can do, until a person actually 'gets' the LL sound instinctively right. Better than the the CL variant, anyway
 
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