o rly?
Bars told not to serve black people
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o rly?
o rly?
o rly?
China's Beijing Youth Daily newspaper, recently published an article lauding China's astronauts, noting that "the black-haired and yellow-skinned Chinese" have now walked in space, adding that it clearly represented: "This is one small step for a man but one giant leap for the country."
Woof
Woof
China's Beijing Youth Daily newspaper, recently published an article lauding China's astronauts, noting that "the black-haired and yellow-skinned Chinese" have now walked in space, adding that it clearly represented: "This is one small step for a man but one giant leap for the country."
Woof
jessiedog, it is a normal way of chinese describing themselves that has absolutely no racism contained in the wording. china is effectively a third-world country and due to the immense language barrier as well there are seldom any chinese citizen who are non-yellow-skinned non-black-haired (at least at birth). If in the future the demography changes, the description will also change.
As to the govt, it appears as they are pro-yellow for the same reason as the african govt are pro-black. whether that means anti-white or anti-other colours is questionable but I for one do not care about those nationalistic bold claims. I am a normal human being and qualified citizen of the world.
If you are too dense to understand the implications of my posts, I'm not going to bother trying to emphasise the points further.
*shrugs*
Woof
JimW
支那暗杀团
There's definitely popular racism in China - both against foreigners (and black foreigners in particular) and against Chinese ethnic minorities. You can read about historical incidents like the race riots in Nanjing in the 80s and anecdotally one of the few fist fights I've been in in the many years I've lived in the mainland is stepping in to help out a black man who was set on at a train station by racists. When I worked in rural Sichuan it was commonplace to hear the Yi residents of the county referred to in disparaging terms by Han locals. Beyond all this, there's a general currency of stereotypes, both ethnic and based on place of origin ("all northeasterners are hotheads" etc).
However, I would also say it's no worse than anywhere else I've been, and that I was fairly sure the bar story that prompted this post had been thoroughly debunked. What focus there has been by police on black people (including assaulting a Caribbean ambassador's son in a previous indiscriminate round-up) is more the result of crude racial profiling, doubtless using the justification of the great preponderance of black Africans in the visible part of the street drug trade.
In conclusion, I think we can all agree that butchers is right - class war not race war.
However, I would also say it's no worse than anywhere else I've been, and that I was fairly sure the bar story that prompted this post had been thoroughly debunked. What focus there has been by police on black people (including assaulting a Caribbean ambassador's son in a previous indiscriminate round-up) is more the result of crude racial profiling, doubtless using the justification of the great preponderance of black Africans in the visible part of the street drug trade.
In conclusion, I think we can all agree that butchers is right - class war not race war.
I don't think it's quite as certain as you appear to think!
But if i was on a motorbike, and he in a car, most likely the other chap would have to pay me.
Secondly, i've been involved in one accident, and the copper simply made sure the two of us settled. He had no request for money at all.
Whose fault it is in thailand has little bearing on how we judge such matters back in the UK. But i can't see racism being the final arbiter here. Normally the main criterion is who is richer.
I think all of i386's posts on this thread have been fine. He/she's just expressing their ideas based on their own experiences in the country itself. And i386 is chinese!
I can't see any 'denseness' here. The only point i can see in your posts mate is that the chinese government are racist. They don't appear to label that charge against chinese people in general.
And bloody hell, most governments are full of wankers, whether racism is one of the nasty strings to their bow or not.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
So I as a white British person am a reliable person to comment on the degree of racism experienced in Britain?
There is massive, ingrained, unconcious racism in China among Chinese.
The only positive thing is that it is generally not reflected violently.
But it's ubiquitous, insidious and damaging.
Woof
So I as a white British person am a reliable person to comment on the degree of racism experienced in Britain?
What kind of point are you making here? Can't you answer your own apparent rhetorical questions?
My points all remain valid from that post. I would imagine, in stabbing an answer for your question, that you are a reliable person to comment on life as you have experienced it.
That's what i said in the post you have replied to me to. I also added that the poster was from china, so definitely might be able to call things about his/her countrymen.
There is massive, ingrained, unconcious racism in China among Chinese.
The only positive thing is that it is generally not reflected violently.
But it's ubiquitous, insidious and damaging.
Woof
Against who jessie? Their own? Far as i can tell most of china only has chinese people in it. Who are they racist against?
Can a high degree of patriotism be mistaken for racism? Can richer sorts looking down on poorer sorts be racism?
I can't see what racism you're talking about. But then i've never been to china. However, i always thought racism reared its ugly head when different people immigrated to a country.
JimW
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There are 56 officially recognised "national minorities" (or non-Han ethnic groups Edited to add: well, it's 55 non-Han, 56 with the Han. Whoops) in China, and other groups who perceive themselves as ethnically distinct but don't have official status. As I mentioned above, I've personally witnessed racist behaviour directed at Chinese ethnic minorities by members of the Han majority. I have also read claims of institutional discrimination and have certainly seen all manner of the most patronising tripe on national telly.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Something about ethnic minorities in China.
http://www.freeserbia.net/Articles/2001/Minorities.html
And the view from a government organ:
http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2003/0417/cu18-1.html
http://www.freeserbia.net/Articles/2001/Minorities.html
And the view from a government organ:
http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2003/0417/cu18-1.html
My friends and I all have chinese friends from 'ethnic minorities' such as Mongolians, Koreans, Manchurians (Man), Tibetans and Muslims. Having been with them for years since school and have not felt any problems in getting along with them. If they were somehow treated with either a systemic repression or a street-level racism we would have noticed or they would have made a voice. The problem is non-existent, at least at the educated level (from school to uni).
There are street fights between Han and minorities very occasionally -- I witnessed 2 or 3 times in my hometown (population of 2m) in the past 20 years. There were more street fights between Han people themselves. Those events are in proportion to the respective population. *In* these fights you may hear 'racist' words, but that's a tool but not a *cause* of such conflicts. Fights within the same race must however find some other insulting words to work.
In the end and in my opinion, you don't learn the culture by reading news pieces or via reading volumes of books. You learn it by living it. I can't say I can understand Britain by reading some books/news written by Chinese in Chinese. Same thing applies if reversed
There are street fights between Han and minorities very occasionally -- I witnessed 2 or 3 times in my hometown (population of 2m) in the past 20 years. There were more street fights between Han people themselves. Those events are in proportion to the respective population. *In* these fights you may hear 'racist' words, but that's a tool but not a *cause* of such conflicts. Fights within the same race must however find some other insulting words to work.
In the end and in my opinion, you don't learn the culture by reading news pieces or via reading volumes of books. You learn it by living it. I can't say I can understand Britain by reading some books/news written by Chinese in Chinese. Same thing applies if reversed
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Woof
Jessie, that really does not enter any debate with i386. I'm personally very interested, as you might know, about china. I'm hearing two very diverse kinds of experiences here between you and i386. I'd like to try and make some sense of it. What he says squares with an intuition of mine, but that ain't enough for me really. You just dissing him like this does not help the rest of us posters!
You would do the forum a favour if you could engage with his points, rather than just dismiss them.
You ought to know mate how much shit is written about china. Please try and help people see the wood from the trees... i know you normally do, but what about on this thread?
Personally I reckon the skin colour thing is more to do with not looking 'poor'. It's the sort of opposite of Britain; in the UK, if you look pasty it means you can hardly ever afford to go on holiday. In China if you look brown it means you work in the fields and are thus a peasant.
However, it must be said that there is quite a lot of racism towards black people in China. Black friends were offered lower pay than white friends for teaching jobs, for instance.
Hmm, I'm not convinced about that. My mate saw a farang get mobbed by about 30 people in Bangkok and beaten badly.
True point. Thing is, I remember it being a commonly spoken view that "You must be careful around those Uighurs, they're all thieves".
This is unconscious racism. If anyone in the UK said that "xyz are all thieves", they'd be shouted down.
I agree, we shouldn't scare him/her off, it's good to see some views from different countries.
That would be almost impossible without some kind of provocation by the farang. And it would need to have been serious provocation to get such a large group after you like that.
Farang are quite simply left to their own devices until they cross lines considered too much to take by the locals, and their tolerance level is very high.
Utter, utter bollocks.
I do think that i386 is onto something though when he talks about rich and poor.
The people whom the PRC regime treats the worse are the poorer Han Chinese. Absolutely no question about that.
The people whom the PRC regime treats the worse are the poorer Han Chinese. Absolutely no question about that.
Indeed.
The larger the majority, the more insensitive.
It will take decades for any real sense of racial sensitivity to prevail in China.
Woof
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