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Barclays cash point: warning

aurora green said:
but surely if the faces of the perpertrators are recorded, eventually these peoples' luck might run out.
might...

the quality of cctv pictures varies greatly, as does the length of time it's kept. who operates the cameras round that corner? probably lambeth - and i bet they don't take much care of their cameras. met police cctv cameras are replaced every couple of weeks, so their lenses are usually clearer than local authority operated ones.

but what's the point of this much vaunted cctv if no fucker's watching? is it just a giant intelligence gathering operation?
 
aurora green said:
You know, Living on the Loughborough estate, I cannot step outside my front door without being captured by cctv. If I take my kids to the park, there's a camera in the playground monitoring everything.
I wonder how obvious the cctv is outside Barclays, (haven't noticed myself because Im always walking by quite quickly I guess) and if it is capable of capturing all the 'events' occuring. These people need to be caught, and if the cameras are too discreet, then they need to be seen so that its harder to get away with stuff like this.
The area seems to be postively bristling with CCTV cameras. But for some reason they rarely seem to be of any use.
 
In the mornings I see loads of Police Officers and CSOs patrolling the area. The later in the evening it gets, the fewer I see.

Now that's what I call cleaver, well-thought out police scheduling and deployment. :rolleyes:
 
I don't use my phone on the streets if I can help it either and only the other night saw a girl on the phone at a bus stop I was waiting at have hers snatched.

The police called me yesterday to see if I got a look at him but all I saw was a hooded figure legging it down the road - no help at all really.

Anyway - thanks for the heads up, Ed - that's the second one I've heard of at those cash points recently. I think I'll try to stick with the ones over the road in future.
 
poster342002 said:
In the mornings I see loads of Police Officers and CSOs patrolling the area. The later in the evening it gets, the fewer I see.

Now that's what I call cleaver, well-thought out police scheduling and deployment. :rolleyes:
they're scared of the dark.
 
that's terrible news editor! I took the bus from just opposit wollies at half 6ish but didn't notice anything as that corner is SO crowded at that time of day. :(

I've used those machines before... think im going to stick to the ones opposite from now on...
 
poster342002 said:
Which pretty much negates the point of a mobile phone, really, if you can't use it outside the house.


there's plenty of places you can use them outside the house. It's just that Brixton's not one of them :mad:
 
i had thought after macintyre's trip to brixton that you had to try really hard to get mugged there. now i see that he didn't have to wander about for days on end trying desperately to get robbed, if he'd just used the barclay's cashpoints he'd have been away within fifteen minutes.
 
Pickman's model said:
i had thought after macintyre's trip to brixton that you had to try really hard to get mugged there. now i see that he didn't have to wander about for days on end trying desperately to get robbed, if he'd just used the barclay's cashpoints he'd have been away within fifteen minutes.

macintyre is a moronic simpleton.
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
there's plenty of places you can use them outside the house. It's just that Brixton's not one of them :mad:

Look it's awful what happened, but I dont think we should get carried away here. That's proberbly the worst corner in Brixton, but as for not using my mobile in Brixton, thats going a bit far IMO.
 
Pickman's model said:
i had thought after macintyre's trip to brixton that you had to try really hard to get mugged there. now i see that he didn't have to wander about for days on end trying desperately to get robbed, if he'd just used the barclay's cashpoints he'd have been away within fifteen minutes.
My take on that truly crap docco was that he was so obviously waving his mobile around and trying to get mugged that any dodgy types thought that something was up.
 
Pickman's model said:
i had thought after macintyre's trip to brixton that you had to try really hard to get mugged there. now i see that he didn't have to wander about for days on end trying desperately to get robbed, if he'd just used the barclay's cashpoints he'd have been away within fifteen minutes.
I think Brixton's got a lot worse recently, to be honest.

And seeing as MacIntyre is quite a stocky fella, it's not surprising he didn't get mugged.

Cowardly scumbag muggers tend to prefer 'soft' targets.
 
aurora green said:
Look it's awful what happened, but I dont think we should get carried away here. That's proberbly the worst corner in Brixton, but as for not using my mobile in Brixton, thats going a bit far IMO.



Don't get me wrong. I'll use my mobile in Brixton, but not on Brixton High Street itself (unless I'm inside a shop).

Similarly, I don't get my purse out in Brixton High Street, I always make sure if I have to pay cash for a bus that I've got my money ready when I leave the house :o
 
editor said:
I think Brixton's got a lot worse recently, to be honest.

And seeing as MacIntyre is quite a stocky fella, it's not surprising he didn't get mugged.

Cowardly scumbag muggers tend to prefer 'soft' targets.
Sadly, I have also noticed a decline recently too. It got better in late 2003 - mid 2004, but things have gradually started to slide again. I hope it doesn't return to 1999 - mid 2003 levels.

Muggers do indeed tend to mug those who seem more vulnerable. A few years ago I saw some fucker strut over to a homeless old sitting on the floor and "ask" her for £1. :mad:
 
when using those cash points i do feel like one of those zebra at an african watering hole...
 
I might be quite handy, (I boxed in the Army, light heavy weight and never lost a fight) however when I am being robbed by 2 or more men like I was in Brasil earlier this year acting weak and letting them take what they want is the easiest safest and best option.

Likewise fIf I happen to witness a mugging involving 2 or more men and one victim, you know what, Im not getting involved.

Poor bastard, even more unfortunate bastard who will struggle and then get stabbed or shot.

Life mimics nature, I liken that corner in Brixton to the Serengeti plain in some ways.
 
How much was robbed ?

why did they pick out him from what I would imagine would be quite along queue for money at that time of day ?
 
I think the less wealthy you are, the more likely you are to be mugged.

Muggers aren't some kind of latterday Robin Hoods - they're cowards who rob from the poor to give to themselves.
 
Just a couple of points ...

poster342002 said:
If the cops "know" about this problems on that shithole of a corner, why is nothing done?

Sorry to hear about your mate ed. Just a couple of points which may help in making something happen ...

1. Designing out crime can improve the situation. The banks have talked about it around cashpoints (lighting, positioning, painted "exclusion zones" ...) but have done very little. Put pressure on them (lots of letters / e-mails / visits to the actual Barclays branch may help) (By the way, the suggestion of ATMs in foyers is a double-edged sword - people tend to move in to them, the swipes are prone to having illegal card readers attached and robberies inside them still happen (and out of sight of passers-by).

2. Public awareness is a police tactic to help reduce criminal opportunities. The big white landrover is part of that. It does help. We may already know, but we forget and reminders increase our awareness for a shoort time at least.

3. A uniformed police presence 24/7 is not practicable and, in any event would only displace the crimes to somewhere else.

4. There may well be undercover operations, either in operation or being planned (but to tell everyone would be self-defeating!!). The police work on "hotspots" (which is why EVERY crime / attempt needs to be reported otherwise the basic data is inaccurate), prioritising types of crimes and numbers. Such operations are very expensive in terms of time and staff hours so there is a limit on how many can be mounted at any one time. Raise the particular issue at the CPCG to ensure it really is on the list of things to do.

5. Police patrols and numbers are based on demand monitoring. The peaks of public calls are during the day and evening. Unfortunately this leads to "skewing" as less things happen later but they tend to be more serious. Raise the question at the CPCG - find out exactly how the Borough Commander is planning resource deployment and suggest any improvements / issues.

6. As has been mentioned, CCTV needs to be monitored. In Lambeth it is the responsibility of the borough. Find out from them the numbers of staff in their control room, their training and their emergency response protocols (I recently came across one control room (outside London) which had to call the police via 999 in an emergency!!). Lambeth used to have a "hotline" - does it still? How much intelligence do the police provide to the control room to ensure they know which hotspots to monitor, descriptions to look for, etc?

7. As Burke said (I think!) "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". The failure of passers-by to do anything is sadly too common. It is read by the crims as a green light to do what they like. They can avoid police activity, they can't avoid passers-by but they know they will do fuck all so they don't give a toss. One passer-by intervening is at risk. Twenty aren't. Don't put yourselves at risk but we can all do other things. Shout, scream, abuse, throw things ... Do anything to raise a scene. They will eventually learn!

<Edit to add last point which I forgot!>
 
Thats really crap to hear of this daylight mugging. It has got more interesting in that part of Brixton. The bus stop seems to be all weed dealers and general nutters now?
 
That was fast work - the day after I read this thread I was walking to the tube and those bus stops on the corner had been removed!

Fuck knows where those oregano salesmen who spend their days waiting for a bus that never comes are going to go...
 
poster342002 said:
If the cops "know" about this problems on that shithole of a corner, why is nothing done?
Because victims of crime refuse to report incidents because they hate the police? How many other victims will suffer because of his grand principles? Either you want crime dealt with or not, unless he has a better plan.
 
Taking bus stops and park benches away so that "undesirables" (who defines these?) have nowhere to sit down is just displacement and it's treating people like rubbish. Not addressing core problems.

It's just an unspoken "move along sonny".

I think its fucking crap.

I didn't even really have a problem with that corner. The more you push people down the more they'll burst up. We will all see. You can see already if you look. Just check Friday's SLP for a start.

Whatever.
 
I bet the weed sellers ain't gone away. It just means the CCTV will provide more intelligence and all the pus passengers will get wet when it rains. Why not station a cop or two near the corner instead of outside the tube?
 
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