Oswaldtwistle
Banned
I can see this being potentially legally challengeable. If over 75s were banned from buying alcohol can you imagine the fuss?
Ban on under 21s buying alcohol
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I can see this being potentially legally challengeable. If over 75s were banned from buying alcohol can you imagine the fuss?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
yeah, but under 21's aren't anyway near as politically cloutish as the elders. Old people vote.
Oswaldtwistle
Banned
Even if it doesn't break present law, surely the new Equalities Bill would cover this sort of thing? Surely only Westminster can change the law on alcohol purchasing age?
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
What would be needed is a law banning discimination on basis of age on the part of shopkeepers - because at the moment there's nothing in law to prevent shops refusing service on basis of age (even if the customer is of legal age to buy the product).
Sadly, however, the most likely legislation is probably a legal raising of the age to 21 - which they'll say just brings the law into line with common practise.
If this is being trialled in Croydon, I'm sure this won't help.
JHE
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Quite a story (and the ACABers will love it), but I'm not sure this has anything to do with drunkenness. The twats may have been stone-cold sober, but concerned about Mr Plod's disrespek.
CyberRose
أرفع الشفرات
It's a load of bollox puttin the age up to 21
I think I was in first year of comp when I had my first bottle of cider, so if kids want to get alcohol they will get it. We just sat on the park and altho I personally didn't get into (much!) trouble there were those that did cause mischief. When we were 14 we found this pub that really didn't give two shits about who they served (altho we convinced ourselves it was cos we looked 18!) So from then on, we were off the streets, under supervision and scared of gettin in trouble as we were surrounded by 'big people'. If we were sat on park benches with bottles of White Lightening from 14 - 18 then I'm pretty sure we'd have been causing mischief and gettin into trouble. If we were forced to do that 18 - 21 then no chance about it we'd be gettin in trouble!
They should just abolish age limits for alcohol cos people are gonna do it if they want, but if they can do it with their mates under supervision and surrounded by adults that would indirectly (or directly) keep them in check then that surely has to be the best alternative and would help solve a lot of problems we have in society
I think I was in first year of comp when I had my first bottle of cider, so if kids want to get alcohol they will get it. We just sat on the park and altho I personally didn't get into (much!) trouble there were those that did cause mischief. When we were 14 we found this pub that really didn't give two shits about who they served (altho we convinced ourselves it was cos we looked 18!) So from then on, we were off the streets, under supervision and scared of gettin in trouble as we were surrounded by 'big people'. If we were sat on park benches with bottles of White Lightening from 14 - 18 then I'm pretty sure we'd have been causing mischief and gettin into trouble. If we were forced to do that 18 - 21 then no chance about it we'd be gettin in trouble!
They should just abolish age limits for alcohol cos people are gonna do it if they want, but if they can do it with their mates under supervision and surrounded by adults that would indirectly (or directly) keep them in check then that surely has to be the best alternative and would help solve a lot of problems we have in society
JHE
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The term means to portray people as evil. Magnet knows that. You know that. The Social Workers know that. It's a very strong term. That's why they use it - they want a strong term of denunciation. But there is no demonisation going on. It's daft fashionable cant.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
And what is George Galloway doing about? Nothing. What. A. Cunt.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Is it balls. What would you call it? a mild disparagement of the youth? increasing negative connotations applied to normal activities when undertaken by the youth? The unfair application of moral authority placed upon the younger members of our society when such moral absolutism is not applied equally to older members of society.
Be serious. Deionising is perfectly acceptable language. If you wish to cling to only applying the word to those possessed by the forces of darkness go ahead, but be prepared to have people laugh at you.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
JHE
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Noun 1. demonisation - to represent as diabolically evil; "the demonization of our enemies"
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/demonisation
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/demonisation
JHE
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Kids are represented in a variety of different ways in the media.
There are reports of teenage delinquency in the press. They are no more the demonisation of young people than reports of crimes by adults are the demonisation of adults or reports of British tourists behaving badly are the demonisation of British people or of tourists.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
Rather than you two living on completely different planets, its JHE who lives in an entirely different world.
btw - calling the kids who attacked the coppers 'twats'? Evidently you haven't had to put up with Mr. Plod's shit in quite a while. As a teenage male I can tell you it's doled out regularly and with wanton abandon. My only qualm with the behaviour of those yoofs was that they didn't lynch the fuckin' Fuzz.
btw - calling the kids who attacked the coppers 'twats'? Evidently you haven't had to put up with Mr. Plod's shit in quite a while. As a teenage male I can tell you it's doled out regularly and with wanton abandon. My only qualm with the behaviour of those yoofs was that they didn't lynch the fuckin' Fuzz.
I've seen mention of it being a "voluntary" agreement but that will be destined to fail because someone will break ranks, the shop staff will become the target of abuse and threats and will not even be able to point to a law which prevents the sale and there will be no penalty for any breaches.
It could, if the councils all agreed, be written into the licence conditions for every off-licence. Not sure how that would be done practically (i.e. whether they can call them all back in an amend them, as opposed to amending them piecemeal as the come up for renewal or change). Not sure how it would fare if anyone challenged it as ultra vires (in excess of delegated powers) either.
To be honest, I think it'll be about as much use as his tube drinking ban. Whilst it probably has some effect, it is not the main one and it will be very easy to get around. The problem is more the 14-18 year olds ... and they are banned anyway.
october_lost
It's not hip any more...
I would have put that down as an act of frustration (resistance some might call it) albeit towards a valid target, rather than anything else. Under age drinking is a problem, but as usual the state and the authorities seek a remedy through authoritarian means, rather than looking at social services (youth centres, recreational stuff, community stuff) to provide a fix. I guess to expect anything different from neo-liberal types is pointless though.
JHE
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You got any evidence to back that up (seeing as all the accounts given by people who were there seem to describe an entirely different sequence of events) ... or you just "demonising" all police officers?
Yes, definitely. They are all evil.
I suspect that they'd have been just as likely (if not more so) to dole out a kicking to anyone who pulled them up on littering, which, while not exactly the crime of the century, is really fucking annoying.
I agree that the sort of measures currently being used are no good, but I get a little sick of lefties of various stripes making excuses for anti-social twats. Frankly, I'd like to be able to get on a bus knowing that I won't have to put up with some crew of morons sitting at the back and sparking up a joint, I'd like to feel confident that when I come home from a night shift, I won't find that some bunch of cunts has decided to use my yard to throw a party.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
We're not talking about a crew of chavvies making life difficult for their fellow working bretheren, we're talking about some kids who don't feel like jumping when a rozzer clicks his fingers.
Litter isn't a social problem, it's a natural by-product of urban living and dispensible consumer madness. If society cares about it so freakin' much, they could do something constructive like actually put bins out or perhaps pay a few more street-cleaners to sort the mess - not scapegoat ordinaries.
Litter isn't a social problem, it's a natural by-product of urban living and dispensible consumer madness. If society cares about it so freakin' much, they could do something constructive like actually put bins out or perhaps pay a few more street-cleaners to sort the mess - not scapegoat ordinaries.
october_lost
It's not hip any more...
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
That already is illegal on several counts. At the very least, it now flouts the smoking ban (odd how it's not enforced in those occasions. Suddenly all those snooping council twats or Revenue Officers are nowhere to be seen ...) and I agree that those little turds should probably have the book thrown at them. However, blanket-refusual to sell alcohol to those of legal age to do so is plain wrong.
Yes. Let's get someone else to do "something" about it (and pay for the privilege) instead of expecting people to accept and act on their civil responsibilities ...
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
I don't blame people for littering in London, where there are no bins.
Infact, litter is just part and parcel of city-living. Within reason, I think that both give a city character as much as anything else.
Infact, litter is just part and parcel of city-living. Within reason, I think that both give a city character as much as anything else.
stupid kid
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There are bins in Croydon.
Also, the reason for not having bins is in case of terrorists using them to put bombs in, in Croydon that would be an improvement
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