Bacon and other processed meats cause cancer, claims WHO report
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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Eggs possibly, the harbinger of evil!
But actually fairly good for you, in moderation, like most foods.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
well, it is something i've experienced strongly, not in relation to cured meats - but to weightloss dieting. Those individual fleeting moments are not expperienced as such. There is a cumulative effect in the psychology of those choices: acceptance of risk can feel more reasonable when you can remember having denied yourself over and over since the last time you gave in.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
yeah, that's why so many smokers fail to give up, starting again a few weeks or months, or even years, after having made the effort to stop. Each individual craving may be relatively small, but in the end, you feel you deserve a reward for resisting. And what is the only reward that feels right for the achievement of stopping smoking? Why a cigarette.
If I'm cooking it myself, 4 rashers. 2 if having sausages and or black pudding too. not even a weekly thing lately though.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
There's a big difference between systematically denying yourself access to all food and restricting your bacon intake to two rashers a day.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
i thought the 70g figure was for all red meat?
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
So you don't have bacon the days you have other red meat.
It's 70g on average, anyway. Surely you don't have red meat every day? I last had it last Thursday and I'm far from vegetarian.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
I'm not talking about me. But there are plenty of people who do eat red meat once or twice a day - that's not unusual at all. And i'm saying that for those people the frequency of the required sacrifice becomes a cumulative issue.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
It's about re educating your pallet so it doesn't feel a sacrifice. My diet in the past has been far to heavy on stuff like red meat and when cutting it out its felt like sacrifice.
However my gf and I enjoy cooking and food, she doesn't like eating meat often and so I've been learning new stuff to ear, helped by the fact she grows a lot of veg.
It now no longer feels like a sacrifice and when I come home from a shift at work I positively crave things like lentils.
However my gf and I enjoy cooking and food, she doesn't like eating meat often and so I've been learning new stuff to ear, helped by the fact she grows a lot of veg.
It now no longer feels like a sacrifice and when I come home from a shift at work I positively crave things like lentils.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
That's confirmed it . The WHO are nothing other than a shower of bastards . Barely disguised Vegan bastards actually . Smoking banning, Bacon and egg banning ,vegan fun police bastards . They should all be shot .
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
In the example I gave it was the USDA - if you actually watch the video.
Basically they found no way to allow the egg industry to claim any nett health benefits for eggs.
And the USDA are most definitely NOT vegan advocates.
Basically they found no way to allow the egg industry to claim any nett health benefits for eggs.
And the USDA are most definitely NOT vegan advocates.
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fredfelt
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Forgive me for taking your sarcastic tone at face value, but..
Yes, we should take industry press releases at face value, and dismiss any efforts from public bodies to discredit information which has been disseminated for the purpose of increasing profits. Killjoy bastards.
Would your characterising of vegans as 'fun police bastards' be a way for you to continue to shut down any deep seated ethical or moral concerns you may have about meat consumption from entering your conscious?
When burgers taste go good why would anyone want to question generally held cultural beliefs through a casual understanding of our relationship with non-human beings? 'Vegan fun police bastards' - or is that a hint of your subconscious scraping the surface?
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
I don't like burgers and don't eat them . I am not however even remotely ethically concerned when it comes to the premise of eating another unendangered species . Any more than they'd be ethically concerned about eating me . Which pigs definitely would..and fish . And birds. I wouldn't eat a dog mind or a cat unless I was facing genuine starvation . But they'd eat me without a doubt .
So no, it's not .
So no, it's not .
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
It isn't just the animals, it's the environmental cost of raising meat - much of it grain-fed - to the extent that many tonnes of Vitamin B12 are fed to animals that evolved to eat grass with the accompanying bacteria.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I have to say I used to actually be quite shocked at the enthusiasm for bacon so frequently expressed on Urban of all places - but then I had also been struck very early on by the high smoking rate when I attended Urban gatherings.
At the moment I'm trying quite hard not to slip back into 100 percent veganism - catching and eating fish had been part of my retirement plans, but the health benefits of fish are steadily losing out to the adverse effects and I've finally accepted the need to separately take care of B12 and omega 3 - and even selenium.
At the moment I'm trying quite hard not to slip back into 100 percent veganism - catching and eating fish had been part of my retirement plans, but the health benefits of fish are steadily losing out to the adverse effects and I've finally accepted the need to separately take care of B12 and omega 3 - and even selenium.
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fredfelt
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So you have no concern at all for the welfare of the animals which you eat? Personally I'd find that a hard position to justify - unless I was sure that no other animal had sentience or any concept of their own mortality.
Other animals may not show concern for their food, you'd probably also assume that they lack the ability to show respect or compassion either.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Quite an interesting long read on the guardian: Yes, bacon really is killing us
In summary, our bacon is toxic, whether you like it or not, and the meat industry know it and have conspired to muddy the waters of public debate, much like the tobacco and oil industries.
I probably eat bacon about once a month and (sugar consumption aside) have quite a healthy diet, so I'm not too worried. But if you eat bacon every day, or even several times a week, this should make you think twice.
In summary, our bacon is toxic, whether you like it or not, and the meat industry know it and have conspired to muddy the waters of public debate, much like the tobacco and oil industries.
I probably eat bacon about once a month and (sugar consumption aside) have quite a healthy diet, so I'm not too worried. But if you eat bacon every day, or even several times a week, this should make you think twice.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
I'm actually starting to pay attention to this and massively reduce my consumption. My first thoughts about this were that everything nice is probably bad for you, but it appears this is actually genuinely really bad. Ive also eaten quite a lot of chorizo over the last few years when staying at a place where there is no fridge, but havnt bought one yet this year.
I know it will cost a fair bit more, but I'd like to find nitrate free bacon for an occasional treat. Bet it tastes loads better as well.
bendeus
Bellend Tagline Generator
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
And I thought I was being bonkers fermenting cabbages. Part of me is tempted to try this. Suspect the main challenge will be sourcing decent meat at a sensible cost.
How often do you do this? Do you freeze it when done? Home cured bacon with freshly baked loaf does sound a pretty fucking good start to a weekend.
Edit. I have also got several kilos of posh salt I bought of the net looking for more uses...
bendeus
Bellend Tagline Generator
I've only done it once, for Christmas last year. It was a piece of piss. All you need is a decent cut of belly pork from your butcher's (not expensive) and then you can have a play - rosemary and juniper worked really well for me or you can go for sweetcure. It really is a cut above anything store bought. Posh salt would no doubt add to it
E2A: didn't freeze it. No doubt you could.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Doing some reading on this as want to make my own bacon.
Apparently some veg also have quite a lot of nitrites, in them as well. The nitrite free bacon is that is sold in the US and I guess we will see more of in the UK does contain veg extracts, normally celery, that can actually contain more nitrites then using cure 1.
Also I've read that it may be that traditionally made bacon ends up containing far less nitrite then supermarket stuff as its cured in it, rather then just being injected. Can't find anything firm to back that one up though.
Apparently some veg also have quite a lot of nitrites, in them as well. The nitrite free bacon is that is sold in the US and I guess we will see more of in the UK does contain veg extracts, normally celery, that can actually contain more nitrites then using cure 1.
Also I've read that it may be that traditionally made bacon ends up containing far less nitrite then supermarket stuff as its cured in it, rather then just being injected. Can't find anything firm to back that one up though.
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