Bacon and other processed meats cause cancer, claims WHO report

[ViolentPanda]

But its not really the meat, it must be what's added to it? All the chemical preservatives and meat substitute crap etc etc in sausages?

Pretty much. Traditional processing - i.e. hot or cold wood-smoking, drying/dehydrating and salt/brine-curing don't add much chemical load to food. Industrial-scale chemical processing, however, adds all sorts of novel combinations of chemicals to food. Those combinations (as opposed to the individual chemicals) often haven't been safety-tested for human consumption before they're deployed, as it's assumed that if they're individually safe, they will be in combination.

 

[Shechemite]

So they put cancer in bacon?

All well and good for our Islamic 'friends' then isn't it?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think it was Michael Moseley talking about this very thing who said something like, eating a bacon sandwich shortens your life by about half an hour. Taking a brisk half hour walk increases your life by about half an hour. It's all about balance.

As regards red meat, this is a health risk factor in the USA but not in Europe or Japan (according to Michael again, I let him read the research that I cannot access). What do they feed the cows in the USA?

Many antibiotics and growth hormones that farmers are banned from using here.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So they put cancer in bacon?

All well and good for our Islamic 'friends' then isn't it?

Not quite. They put potential carcinogens in bacon, on the basis that a sensible person will only eat X amount of bacon per year, so will not exceed an annual "safe dose". The problem is, of course, that those same potential carcinogens are used in other foods, all with the same assumptions about consumption made, so some consumers will in fact suffer a cancer where a particular chemical constituent of their processed food diet is implicated.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Well, the bacon and black pudding will give you cancer but the goodness of eggs and cheese will enable you to survive it. Something like that; it probably depends on the quality of the bread tbf.

Decent black pudding doesn't contain any preservatives or other industrial chemicals,just good wholesome blood, fat, herbs, spices, cereals and alliums. Anything else is blasphemy!

 

[Shechemite]

Not quite. They put potential carcinogens in bacon, on the basis that a sensible person will only eat X amount of bacon per year, so will not exceed an annual "safe dose". The problem is, of course, that those same potential carcinogens are used in other foods, all with the same assumptions about consumption made, so some consumers will in fact suffer a cancer where a particular chemical constituent of their processed food diet is implicated.

but that's an intelligent, (sort of) complex statement.

 

[Shechemite]

Decent black pudding doesn't contain any preservatives or other industrial chemicals,just good wholesome blood, fat, herbs, spices, cereals and alliums. Anything else is blasphemy!

in Bury one can get 'special' black pudding. special meaning extra lumps of fat in it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Bacon and sprouts is fucking amazing.

Especially if you add fried tatties into the mix.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So they put cancer in bacon?

All well and good for our Islamic 'friends' then isn't it?

Have I missed something here? Wtf is this?

 

[Shechemite]

sorry, an attempt at lampooning daily mail conspiracy theory comment types.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

sorry, an attempt at lampooning daily mail conspiracy theory comment types.

Oh I see.

*whoosh*

 

[Shechemite]

Oh I see.

*whoosh*

yes, wasn't the wittiest thing anyones ever said. perhaps shouldn't post when as tired as am now. bed a better option

 

[littlebabyjesus]

No worries.

Go to bed! *stern face*

 

[spanglechick]

Isn't that what people used to say about living next to asbestos mines? Maybe they still do in some parts of the world.

Is breathing in asbestos pleasurable, then? Like eating bacon is for me?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I eat bacon. But I also take half an aspirin every day. Shown to reduce the risk of bowel cancer.

 

[Celyn]

... adds all sorts of novel combinations of chemicals to food...

novel combinations to food

Flour From the Madding Crowd

Pie and Prejudice

The Marrows of Young Werther

Cold Comfit Farm

Moby Spotted Dick

The Cod of Small Things

War and Pizza

To Grill a Mockingbird

 

[kebabking]

Especially if you add fried tatties into the mix.

or, more fried tatties, more bacon, shredded cabbage, two big gooey eggs on top, and NO FUCKING SPROUTS!

brown sauce, obvs.

 

[gentlegreen]

I had a look inside my own colon yesterday - which was somewhat surreal

 

[bi0boy]

I eat bacon. But I also take half an aspirin every day. Shown to reduce the risk of bowel cancer.

And increase the risk of doing a Lord Grantham

 

[joustmaster]

I had a look inside my own colon yesterday - which was somewhat surreal

I'm imagining some home made apparatus similar to the lighting and camera rig on your bike.

 

[gentlegreen]

I'm imagining some home made apparatus similar to the lighting and camera rig on your bike.

Deploying the enema whilst lying on my bathroom floor and then later signing the consent form confirmed my belief that the anus is strictly a one-way device - and I can still feel where I was prodded from inside.
The first thing they do is attach a bracelet with your details on "just in case" ...

I suspect that when I apply technology to that area of life it will be based on chemical analysis of naturally ejected material.

 

[goldenecitrone]

novel combinations to food

Flour From the Madding Crowd

Pie and Prejudice

The Marrows of Young Werther

Cold Comfit Farm

Moby Spotted Dick

The Cod of Small Things

War and Pizza

To Grill a Mockingbird

Barnaby Fudge

A Tale of Two Chickpeas

Oliver Crisps

Leek House

Little Dorito

 

[Shechemite]

Notes from a London Underground Cafe

The fat fucking Idiot

 

[andysays]

Barnaby Fudge

A Tale of Two Chickpeas

Oliver Crisps

Leek House

Little Dorito

Not to mention

• The Picnic Papers
• The Old Chorizo Shop (definitely one to avoid )
  
• David Cropperfield
  
• Martin Guzzles It
  
• Chard Times
  
• Grape Expectations
• Our Muesli Friend
• The Mystery of Edwin's Food

 

[Shechemite]

My Name is Bacon Rasher Lev

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

While obv one doesn't *court* cancer, equally, one has to die of *something*.

Pretty sure a couple of years back q study linked meat eating to heart disease too.

Otoh you could end up with dementia and spend decades not dying of that.

To me, that seems worse... If I had my way I'd go from a massive heart attack before I lose my marbles, or my independence, or my dignity. But the fact is, you don't get to pick.

You will die. You can't really control how... But you can control a big chunk of how happy you are before that. My dad used to say "there were people on the Titanic that waved away the dessert trolly" - I'm not a veggie and bacon tastes lovely. I could get squished by a bus tomorrow. I'll eat the bacon and take my chances with the manner of my going.

Quite. And as I look back on my life I can say with confidence that no good story about it will begin with a salad.

 

[killer b]

But many will begin with a bacon butty?

 

[Celyn]

... as I look back on my life I can say with confidence that no good story about it will begin with a salad.

Please write a book, because that would be a terrific opening line.

 

[marty21]

500g = a full pound
Yes, I started with what he taught me and took it to the limit

Who would choose bacon when they can have sprouts ?

I like bacon fried with shredded sprouts

 

[DotCommunist]

everything causes cancer. They might be better off to start telling us which few things don't cause cancer.