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'Baby P' dies of child abuse - photos now released

Baby P's stepfather is reported to have been attacked in prison:
Steven Barker, who is serving a life sentence for his part in the toddler's death, was reported to have been scalded by a burning mixture of sugar and boiling water hurled by another prisoner.

Barker, 6ft 4in and 18 stone, was left screaming in pain after suffering burns to his face and arm in the attack at high security Wakefield Prison, West Yorkshire, which could leave him scarred for life.

Boiling water and sugar is known in prison circles as "napalm". The improvised weapon sticks to the skin and intensifies burns, one of the principal effects of jelly-like napalm bombs.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20100213/tuk-baby-p-stepfather-injured-in-prison-dba1618.html
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Good. I'm not ashamed of myself at all for thinking that - nothing that anyone does to him can even compare with what he put that child though.
 
I don't feel at all happy that this has happened

Obviously I share people's feelings of hatred and contempt towards the man for what he did, but torturing him will not make anything better

I cannot remember reading about his own childhood but I imagine that he was abused or neglected and is, at least to some extent, a product of his own childhood.

The compulsion to sadistically attack others, including animals and little children is a sickness with very deep roots in the perpetrator's childhood and probably infancy. If his mother drank too much alcohol when pregnant then the damage may have begun even earlier.

The compulsion to hurt sadistically is driven, at least in part, by a manic defense against unbearable memories of one's own suffering. The perpetrator acts out what he cannot bear to remember.

If I could do what I wanted to him I would administer ibogaine to him and let his own conscience torture himself. That would at least be something worth doing as a genuine understanding of how you have hurt a little child, something he is not allowing himself to feel at the moment, is surely the worst torture imaginable.
 
Louloubelle said:
I don't feel at all happy that this has happened

Obviously I share people's feelings of hatred and contempt towards the man for what he did, but torturing him will not make anything better

I cannot remember reading about his own childhood but I imagine that he was abused or neglected and is, at least to some extent, a product of his own childhood.

The compulsion to sadistically attack others, including animals and little children is a sickness with very deep roots in the perpetrator's childhood and probably infancy. If his mother drank too much alcohol when pregnant then the damage may have begun even earlier.

The compulsion to hurt sadistically is driven, at least in part, by a manic defense against unbearable memories of one's own suffering. The perpetrator acts out what he cannot bear to remember.

If I could do what I wanted to him I would administer ibogaine to him and let his own conscience torture himself. That would at least be something worth doing as a genuine understanding of how you have hurt a little child, something he is not allowing himself to feel at the moment, is surely the worst torture imaginable.
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Well said.
There is something wrong with this public revelling in sadistic torture. I have a kid and if anyone ever hurt my little boy I would want them dead. but I hope I would have enough dignity to not indulge in this kind of internet machismo.

I am curious as to what the guy who attacked him was in for? Whatever it was, I'm sure he was a violent thug too. Prison ethics are pretty fucked up. It's sad to see them applauded here but also sadly predictable.
 
Sticking him in a room full of angry inmates and no protection would be a more reasonable way of helping him understand how that child felt.
 
Louloubelle said:
I don't feel at all happy that this has happened

Obviously I share people's feelings of hatred and contempt towards the man for what he did, but torturing him will not make anything better

I cannot remember reading about his own childhood but I imagine that he was abused or neglected and is, at least to some extent, a product of his own childhood.

The compulsion to sadistically attack others, including animals and little children is a sickness with very deep roots in the perpetrator's childhood and probably infancy. If his mother drank too much alcohol when pregnant then the damage may have begun even earlier.

The compulsion to hurt sadistically is driven, at least in part, by a manic defense against unbearable memories of one's own suffering. The perpetrator acts out what he cannot bear to remember.

If I could do what I wanted to him I would administer ibogaine to him and let his own conscience torture himself. That would at least be something worth doing as a genuine understanding of how you have hurt a little child, something he is not allowing himself to feel at the moment, is surely the worst torture imaginable.
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dylans said:
I have a kid and if anyone ever hurt my little boy I would want them dead. but I hope I would have enough dignity to not indulge in this kind of internet machismo.
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If you had a kid at that age, and they were put through what this kid had to endure, I doubt your liberal sense of welfare would remain...
 
It just goes to show that redemption is possible. The prisoner who has done this has pretty much absolved himself as far as I can see.
 
DarthSydodyas said:
If you had a kid at that age, and they were put through what this kid had to endure, I doubt your liberal sense of welfare would remain...
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I would like to share something here.

8 years ago, when my son was two years old, his mother, my wife, was murdered. She died in my arms. She was an innocent bystander when a fight occurred in the street and a stray bullet went through our door and into her heart. In a second flat my whole world fell apart. I convicted the guy. He got 12 years for voluntary manslaughter.
It wasn't in this country, it was in a country where, let's say, the rules of judiciary are a little more flexible.

In those days I was working as a language teacher and I was teaching a very powerful guy, a relative of one of the countries politicians. I met with him one afternoon in a coffee shop and he knew what I was there for. He told me $10.000 dollars and me and my son must leave the country. He gave me a week to think it over. I had the money and I was very tempted.

You know what I did?
I contacted the Embassy and I met the British Ambassador in a pub and told him about the offer. I told the Amb that I wouldn't do it on one condition. That he look me in the eye and promise me there would be a fair trial and he would do every thing in his power to ensure a conviction with no corruption. He made that promise and I never returned to the coffee shop.

We went to court and I convicted her killer. He got 12 years. Minus 3 he will be out this year, I wish he had got longer but I'm glad I did it the way I did.

First because of my own soul and my wife's. I'm not a killer and I don't want that karma and I think this is how she would have wanted me to behave.

More importantly, and this is the point, I did something for my wife and for her country. I made her death mean something significant. I strengthened the rule of law in her country, a country that was notorious for judicial corruption. I convicted her killer and I did it the right way. I like to think that I made her country a little better for doing it the right way.

To this day I think I made the right decision. I hate the guy who took her from me with every breath in my body. When he was convicted I shouted to him that I hoped he die in prison, but I don't want to live in a world of vigilantes and revenge. I want to live in a world of justice. Not for his sake, fuck him. For all our sakes.I hope the guy who hurt that child is haunted by his act for the rest of his life as I hope the guy who took away my wife is haunted by his.

So please, don't lecture me about my "liberal sense of welfare" I have been there and I've tasted hate.
 
wow

you really have lead quite a life dylans

respect to you for doing the right thing in what must have been a horrendous situation, presumably at some risk to your own safety
 
dylans said:
To this day I think I made the right decision. I hate the guy who took her from me with every breath in my body. When he was convicted I shouted to him that I hoped he die in prison, but I don't want to live in a world of vigilantes and revenge. I want to live in a world of justice. Not for his sake, fuck him. For all our sakes.I hope the guy who hurt that child is haunted by his act for the rest of his life as I hope the guy who took away my wife is haunted by his.
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imo, I doubt it, but this is something we may well never agree on.

I apologise if I caused any offence.
 
dylans said:
I would like to share something here.

8 years ago, when my son was two years old, his mother, my wife, was murdered. She died in my arms. She was an innocent bystander when a fight occurred in the street and a stray bullet went through our door and into her heart. In a second flat my whole world fell apart. I convicted the guy. He got 12 years for voluntary manslaughter.
It wasn't in this country, it was in a country where, let's say, the rules of judiciary are a little more flexible.

In those days I was working as a language teacher and I was teaching a very powerful guy, a relative of one of the countries politicians. I met with him one afternoon in a coffee shop and he knew what I was there for. He told me $10.000 dollars and me and my son must leave the country. He gave me a week to think it over. I had the money and I was very tempted.

You know what I did?
I contacted the Embassy and I met the British Ambassador in a pub and told him about the offer. I told the Amb that I wouldn't do it on one condition. That he look me in the eye and promise me there would be a fair trial and he would do every thing in his power to ensure a conviction with no corruption. He made that promise and I never returned to the coffee shop.

We went to court and I convicted her killer. He got 12 years. Minus 3 he will be out this year, I wish he had got longer but I'm glad I did it the way I did.

First because of my own soul and my wife's. I'm not a killer and I don't want that karma and I think this is how she would have wanted me to behave.

More importantly, and this is the point, I did something for my wife and for her country. I made her death mean something significant. I strengthened the rule of law in her country, a country that was notorious for judicial corruption. I convicted her killer and I did it the right way. I like to think that I made her country a little better for doing it the right way.

To this day I think I made the right decision. I hate the guy who took her from me with every breath in my body. When he was convicted I shouted to him that I hoped he die in prison, but I don't want to live in a world of vigilantes and revenge. I want to live in a world of justice. Not for his sake, fuck him. For all our sakes.I hope the guy who hurt that child is haunted by his act for the rest of his life as I hope the guy who took away my wife is haunted by his.

So please, don't lecture me about my "liberal sense of welfare" I have been there and I've tasted hate.
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that is one of the most amazing posts i have ever read on here.
 
dylans said:
I would like to share something here.

8 years ago, when my son was two years old, his mother, my wife, was murdered. She died in my arms. She was an innocent bystander when a fight occurred in the street and a stray bullet went through our door and into her heart. In a second flat my whole world fell apart. I convicted the guy. He got 12 years for voluntary manslaughter.
It wasn't in this country, it was in a country where, let's say, the rules of judiciary are a little more flexible.

In those days I was working as a language teacher and I was teaching a very powerful guy, a relative of one of the countries politicians. I met with him one afternoon in a coffee shop and he knew what I was there for. He told me $10.000 dollars and me and my son must leave the country. He gave me a week to think it over. I had the money and I was very tempted.

You know what I did?
I contacted the Embassy and I met the British Ambassador in a pub and told him about the offer. I told the Amb that I wouldn't do it on one condition. That he look me in the eye and promise me there would be a fair trial and he would do every thing in his power to ensure a conviction with no corruption. He made that promise and I never returned to the coffee shop.

We went to court and I convicted her killer. He got 12 years. Minus 3 he will be out this year, I wish he had got longer but I'm glad I did it the way I did.

First because of my own soul and my wife's. I'm not a killer and I don't want that karma and I think this is how she would have wanted me to behave.

More importantly, and this is the point, I did something for my wife and for her country. I made her death mean something significant. I strengthened the rule of law in her country, a country that was notorious for judicial corruption. I convicted her killer and I did it the right way. I like to think that I made her country a little better for doing it the right way.

To this day I think I made the right decision. I hate the guy who took her from me with every breath in my body. When he was convicted I shouted to him that I hoped he die in prison, but I don't want to live in a world of vigilantes and revenge. I want to live in a world of justice. Not for his sake, fuck him. For all our sakes.I hope the guy who hurt that child is haunted by his act for the rest of his life as I hope the guy who took away my wife is haunted by his.

So please, don't lecture me about my "liberal sense of welfare" I have been there and I've tasted hate.
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a "like" seems a bit trite. I found that very moving, i may have shed a tear like a soppy bugger.
 
veracity said:
Agreed, 'like' doesn't seem quite right, times like this I think we need a RESPECT! button.

Thanks for sharing that with us dylans, you have moved me.
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Wow. Quite a bump. I had forgotten I had posted that but I remember I was in two minds about posting it when I did given the very personal nature of the post. Given the impact it seems to have had on some people, I am glad that I did. Thank you for your kind words.
 
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