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Ayan Hirsi "Ali" Exposed

It's perfectly clear who's being referred to by 'goatfuckers' and it isn't muslims per se. How much sense would it make to call a white muslim a 'goatfucker'?
 
Ephram said:
I gave my opinion. I have no desire to change your opinion or provoke you. I would even go as far as saying I understand why people disagree.

I'm not sure why you're insulting me.

Where's the insult? - you've thin skin for someone who lives in Holland :)
 
Lock&Light said:
And you are simply talking bullshit! :mad:

And you're a tedious old man who runs away from debate all the time, care to point out the bullshit?
Care to actually refute anything instead of pompously pointing out that because one doesn't speak dutch or know the contents of your big head one can't possibly understand.
 
BootyLove said:
It's not a feeling, I've thought about it. He supported the racist right winger Fortuyn, he's anti-semitic, seriously offensively anti-islamic and thought it was alright to beat your woman.
I mean come on, is this the best agent-provocateur you can come up with?

1 Fortuyn was not racist, though certainly a right-winger.

2 Van Gogh supported the anti-islamist stance taken by Fortuyn, it's true, but then so did/do I.

3 Van Gogh was never anti-islamic but, like a growing number of people, very anti-islamist.

4 I don't know enough about the private person, Theo Van Gogh, though I doubt your assertion about his attitude to women. One of the main points of his anti-islamist stance was his horror at the islamist's view of the place of women in society.
 
BootyLove said:
Where's the insult? - you've thin skin for someone who lives in Holland :)

Nah, I just don't see a reason for personal abuse. I got over it though :)

a·gent pro·vo·ca·teur (ă-zhäN' prô-vô'kä-tœr') pronunciation

A person employed to associate with suspected individuals or groups with the purpose of inciting them to commit acts that will make them liable to punishment.

I'm not one of those.
 
Lock&Light said:
1 Fortuyn was not racist, though certainly a right-winger.

2 Van Gogh supported the anti-islamist stance taken by Fortuyn, it's true, but then so did/do I.

3 Van Gogh was never anti-islamic but, like a growing number of people, very anti-islamist.

4 I don't know enough about the private person, Theo Van Gogh, though I doubt your assertion about his attitude to women. One of the main points of his anti-islamist stance was his horror at the islamist's view of the place of women in society.

1. I've given sources that prove at least at times he used racist language. You haven't. You merely assert that he wasn't in the face of the fact that he was.

2. I'm not interested in your stance to be honest L&L - hardly a radical stance is it? He did more to support Fortuyn than just accepting his 'anti-islamist' stance. He was the one who dubbed him 'De Goddelijk Kale' -'The Divine Bald One' after all.
I'm anti-all religion so I'm not sure what your point is. Racism is fine if you oppose fundamentalism?

3. So ordinary muslims were easily able to see the difference when Theo talked of 'goatfuckers' were they? That he was talking about radicals? Give me a break.

4. Doubt away, are both of you incapable of reading a website that show many quotes about his attitude to women?
 
Lock&Light said:
I don't know enough about the private person, Theo Van Gogh, though I doubt your assertion about his attitude to women. One of the main points of his anti-islamist stance was his horror at the islamist's view of the place of women in society.

As he was such a sexist bastard it makes me think that Theo's aversion to Islam was not its treatment of women but the fact that too many immigrants of muslim extraction were coming to Holland. He was a Daily Mail type. Which lets face it was Fortuyn's stance and Ali's.
Islam's mistreatment of women was just an excuse to make trouble.

I already have but you don't agree with me. What do you want me to do? Sue?

You haven't proved or attempted to prove your point. At all.
 
BootyLove said:
As he was such a sexist bastard it makes me think that Theo's aversion to Islam was not its treatment of women but the fact that too many immigrants of muslim extraction were coming to Holland. He was a Daily Mail type. Which lets face it was Fortuyn's stance and Ali's.
Islam's mistreatment of women was just an excuse to make trouble.

I'm obviously the one that cannot read, indeed. Using the same analogy: he wasn't a racist, he only used the racist language to cause trouble.


BootyLove said:
You haven't proved or attempted to prove your point. At all.

He/she has, but you decided it was wrong because he/she couldn't read your source. You claim that what Theo writes is nonsense because he didn't mean it, he is just trying to cause trouble. But your quotes obviously prove he is a racist and sexist. Right.

If you can live with that, it is fine with me.
 
Ephram said:
I'm obviously the one that cannot read, indeed. Using the same analogy: he wasn't a racist, he only used the racist language to cause trouble.

But Islam does mistreat its women. Therefore Theo was a racist.

He/she has, but you decided it was wrong because he/she couldn't read your source. You claim that what Theo writes is nonsense because he didn't mean it, he is just trying to cause trouble. But your quotes obviously prove he is a racist and sexist. Right.

It's called debate, I say something with quotes to back it up, you attempt to prove me wrong with other quotes, or something, just something, anything. L&L has english as his first language - he can read those sources fine.

I didn't say that Theo wrote nonsense I said if he said those things then he is a bigot.

If you can live with that, it is fine with me.

What's with all the attempted emotional-blackmailing crap? - I don't know you, nor do I care if 'it's fine by you'. Of couse I live with that (whatever THAT is). Tell us what he really was about then, refute some of this thread and stop being so odd.
 
BootyLove said:
It's called debate, I say something with quotes to back it up, you attempt to prove me wrong with other quotes, or something, just something, anything. L&L has english as his first language - he can read those sources fine.

Your style of 'debate': quote something and when someone else does, tell them they're obviously not able to read yours.

What's with all the attempted emotional-blackmailing crap? - I don't know you, nor do I care if 'it's fine by you'.

Well I'm telling you anyway; it's part of the service.

Of couse I live with that (whatever THAT is). Tell us what he really was about then, refute some of this thread

It has been done before, but your answer was: you cannot read.

and stop being so odd.

I love being odd.
 
Ephram said:
Your style of 'debate': quote something and when someone else does, tell them they're obviously not able to read yours.


Rubbish - both you have said that Theo isn't sexist because he is against Islam and have chosen to ignore a whole raft of other quotes that are extremely offensive. You have contributed nothing to stick up for Theo other than: you should read his website in dutch. No quotes, no translations, nothing.


Well I'm telling you anyway; it's part of the service.

Idiot.

It has been done before, but your answer was: you cannot read.

I first thought you were being obtuse - I now realise you are just wilfully stupid.

I love being an idiot.
 
BootyLove said:
I first thought you were being obtuse - I now realise you are just wilfully stupid.

Yeah, that must be it. I'm glad you can read so well. :)

It is very admirable how you changed "odd" into "idiot" in that last quote.
 
Ephram said:
It is very admirable how you changed "odd" into "idiot" in that last quote.

That's is often done on these boards. Always by posters who are losing their arguments.
 
JoePolitix said:
You're a goat fucker and a speaking little cunt. I bet you get wet dreams about being fucked by Dr Mengele.

We've had our disagreements in the past, Joe, but as far as our auld shitstirring friend is concerned, I am in total agreement.:)
 
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