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One demand which separated Terry Fields not only from his political opponents but from other Labour candidates, was his promise to be a 'workers' MP on a workers' wage'. The slogan was displayed in thousands of leaflets and posters throughout the city. This generated colossal enthusiasm amongst workers.....

No it didn't. Most modestly paid workers then, as now, think that someone depriving themselves and their families of earnings to give it to their party and make a political point would be either a chancer carrying out a stunt to try to get elected, or a pious fool, out of touch with the aspirations or ordinary people to make a better life for themselves and their children.

That's why there aren't any MPs or MSPs on a "workers' wage" any more - they all got booted out.
 
No it didn't. Most modestly paid workers then, as now, think that someone depriving themselves and their families of earnings to give it to their party and make a political point would be either a chancer carrying out a stunt to try to get elected, or a pious fool, out of touch with the aspirations or ordinary people to make a better life for themselves and their children.

That's why there aren't any MPs or MSPs on a "workers' wage" any more - they all got booted out.

I think its a lot more mixed than that. But i do remember Joan Barker a local woman standing against Harriet Harman in Peckham and despite a fairly good and active campaign HH won by absulute miles....The people of Peckham prefered the public schoolgirl....
 
No it didn't. Most modestly paid workers then, as now, think that someone depriving themselves and their families of earnings to give it to their party and make a political point would be either a chancer carrying out a stunt to try to get elected, or a pious fool, out of touch with the aspirations or ordinary people to make a better life for themselves and their children.

That's why there aren't any MPs or MSPs on a "workers' wage" any more - they all got booted out.

The bit i quoted is probably based on the fact that a borderline liberal/labour seat was turned into a solid labour seat - it could be argued this was just part of a swing to labour at the time - but thats not something reflected in a general national swing at the time but specific to liverpool

fields was expelled from the labour party - they got rid of him by the backdoor - not through an open and fair fight over respective ideas. he did not lose his seat - the people that elected him where not the ones doing the 'booting'.

he was not able to get enough votes to win against labour when forced to stand against them - was still a respectable vote counted in thousands and against the backdrop of the red-scare stories and an understandable national mood of 'vote labour to get rid of the tories' of that later period.

all of which contradicts your 'impressions' and 'opinions' as to what people thought at the time.
 
I think its a lot more mixed than that. But i do remember Joan Barker a local woman standing against Harriet Harman in Peckham and despite a fairly good and active campaign HH won by absulute miles....The people of Peckham prefered the public schoolgirl....

she didn't have a chance and knew that herself. it was not exactly an equal playing field (thats not a complaint - i would not have expected there to be - just an obvious point). the people of peckham preferred labour (don't know how true that would be now...) - they also did not think that Joan had a chance so could not see the point in wasting a vote
 
all of which contradicts your 'impressions' and 'opinions' as to what people thought at the time.
I understand that you are referring to a specific instance, while I was thinking more generally about this notion of working people's "colossal enthusiasm" for this.

But I was a low paid worker along with other low paid workers in the 80s when there were candidates advertising themselves as promising lto live "on a worker's wage", and I remember discussing this phenomenon at work at the time. We all thought it was daft and perverse for someone with a chance for a good income to deprive themselves of it to make such a point. Being daft in that way was not an attribute we sought or valued either in a Union FTO or an elected representative.

And as I said, those five MSPs who held to that position got voted out at the last election so voters all over Scotland showed what they thought too. Why would a teacher, like Rosemary Byrne, or a midwife, like Carolyn Leckie who had studied and worked to achieve above average pay, deprive themselves of that money to make a point? It showed disrespect for others who had achieved a better position through study. That is not a position that most ordinary people respect, and they demonstrated that at the ballot box.
 
I understand that you are referring to a specific instance, while I was thinking more generally about this notion of working people's "colossal enthusiasm" for this.

But I was a low paid worker along with other low paid workers in the 80s when there were candidates advertising themselves as promising lto live "on a worker's wage", and I remember discussing this phenomenon at work at the time. We all thought it was daft and perverse for someone with a chance for a good income to deprive themselves of it to make such a point. Being daft in that way was not an attribute we sought or valued either in a Union FTO or an elected representative.

And as I said, those five MSPs who held to that position got voted out at the last election so voters all over Scotland showed what they thought too. Why would a teacher, like Rosemary Byrne, or a midwife, like Carolyn Leckie who had studied and worked to achieve above average pay, deprive themselves of that money to make a point? It showed disrespect for others who had achieved a better position through study. That is not a position that most ordinary people respect, and they demonstrated that at the ballot box.

well - i would have loved to have had the chance to decide if it was a good thing or not - can't remember many other mps saying they would live on a workers wage.

I think nellist - who was far from a fool or a grandstander - explains the reasoning behind the issue well enough in the bit i quoted above. its a bit of a jaundiced view you have of other people - hell, i can be cynical but i think that cynisism is best saved for those who deserve it - the ones telling us to tighten our belts while filling their own boots

i'd want someone who stand by and with the folk that elected him/her - someone with the guts to back up their professd convictions - i think a willingness to conciously avoid a gravy train (who's role is to delicately buy one off, put personal material interests in the way of initial conviction) is a good start.
 
well - i would have loved to have had the chance to decide if it was a good thing or not - can't remember many other mps saying they would live on a workers wage.

I think nellist - who was far from a fool or a grandstander - explains the reasoning behind the issue well enough in the bit i quoted above. its a bit of a jaundiced view you have of other people - hell, i can be cynical but i think that cynisism is best saved for those who deserve it - the ones telling us to tighten our belts while filling their own boots

i'd want someone who stand by and with the folk that elected him/her - someone with the guts to back up their professd convictions - i think a willingness to conciously avoid a gravy train (who's role is to delicately buy one off, put personal material interests in the way of initial conviction) is a good start.

Excellent post i think...But also i think dennis if you support the idea that politicians should be chucked off the gravy train you should also support the idea that we should chuck off a lot more people milking the public purse who have never been elected by anyone.
 
Hmm, so this thread seems quite topical right at the moment!

I've been thinking about this a lot recently, and have been trying to work out whether it is better:

(a) for the MP to donate the surplus to their party
(b) for the MP to donate the surplus to community campaigns etc with which they agree
(c) try to just refuse the pay entirely at the source

(a) would probably be unpopular because people hate political parties, (b) opens the MP up to accusations of corruption and vote-buying and (c) would mean that the money would go back to Trident/ID cards etc etc, as opposed entirely to progressive causes....

Matt
 
Hmm, so this thread seems quite topical right at the moment!

I've been thinking about this a lot recently, and have been trying to work out whether it is better:

(a) for the MP to donate the surplus to their party
(b) for the MP to donate the surplus to community campaigns etc with which they agree
(c) try to just refuse the pay entirely at the source

(a) would probably be unpopular because people hate political parties, (b) opens the MP up to accusations of corruption and vote-buying and (c) would mean that the money would go back to Trident/ID cards etc etc, as opposed entirely to progressive causes....

Matt

(b) is the answer, just as it was for Fields IMHO
 
What do Green MEPs do?

Do they:
* enjoy the infamous Euro Gravy Train?
* turn down (much of) the available dosh?
* take the dosh, but give it to party funds or some other good greeny cause?
* something else?
 
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