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Autonomous Class War - a definition

Here's a provisional attempt at definition;

Autonomous Class War applies critical analysis to; working class politics as the multitude fights the state and capitalism, the study of struggles, and the administration of business and the state. It emphasises the co -contextualising relationships of structure and agency, locating the 'everyday', routine world within structural and institutional relations but also emphasising alternative informal institutions and self valourisation outside them. It locates events, issues, media ('crime', 'deviance') and social conflict within their co - determining contexts rather than being obsessed by appearance level debate, causation, moral panic, superficial unity, partial analysis and limited organisation.

It endeavours to broaden the scope of analysis to a consideration of the working class as whole rather than isolated or small sectors, of practice and struggle rather than moral discourse, of humanity and towards dual power rather than punishment and ideologies of division, of freedom and dignity rather than discipline and control.

The structural relations of production and distribution, reproduction and patriarchy, neo-colonialism, and age are identified as the co - determining contexts. Within which the inter-relationships and mutual dependencies of structural forms of oppression can be understood, where different attempts to transcend and enforce boundaries take place, and the working class opposition manifests itself through the ever growing spread of struggles and solidarity.

Working class struggles, although they appear to be subordinate to capital, are in fact primary. Traditional leftist and anarchist vocabulary which speaks about 'resistance' is mistaken and reactionary, and thus their historic task has been to mediate the class struggle. Rather the task is to encourage the ever widening and developing working class practices and autonomous zones into potentially revolutionary moments. Moving beyond the 'permanent revolution' into permanent transcendence of expedient compromise with those who try to control how we live. To live as we choose we must suppress not only those who choose how we live, but the modes of thought that are engendered in and upon all of us. Everybody is not only thinking something they shouldn't they are doing something they shouldn't too.
 
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mk12 said:
Is this really worth a thread in itself Attica?

It's better than a lot of shite you see here.:D

I was hoping that there might be some 'debate' on the contents, cos its far more sophisticated than a lot of 'aims and principles' old leftist and @ groups use.:)
 
This is a great start Attica. When's the new publication coming out? This is just what we need.
This would be a great strapline as well: "Everybody is not only thinking something they shouldn't they are doing something they shouldn't too."
Respect to you. :cool:
 
It's better than a lot of shite you see here.

No, no it's not.

I was hoping that there might be some 'debate' on the contents, cos its far more sophisticated than a lot of 'aims and principles' old leftist and @ groups use

According to you, it is. Slightly arrogant as well, isn't it?
 
Well I guess whether it's "more sophisticated" is up to the readers and the general public. And just because you use fancy words, it doesn't mean it's necessarily better.

Working class struggles, although they appear to be subordinate to capital, are in fact primary

This, for example, isn't a new concept. It's taken straight from Tronti isn't it? As for the rest of it, it's all very vague. For example:

It emphasises the co -contextualising relationships of structure and agency, locating the 'everyday', routine world within structural and institutional relations but also emphasising alternative informal institutions and self valourisation outside them

What?
 
Attica:To The Dustbin Of History!!!!

You are a genius Trev.

I can't wait to see the outcome.
I really want to join Autonomous Class War.
It seems even madder than the National Anarchists!!:eek: :rolleyes: :D
 
Nigel said:
You are a genius Trev.

I can't wait to see the outcome.
I really want to join Autonomous Class War.
It seems even madder than the National Anarchists!!:eek: :rolleyes: :D

The only thing thats out of order is your assumptions.
 
mk12 said:
Well I guess whether it's "more sophisticated" is up to the readers and the general public. And just because you use fancy words, it doesn't mean it's necessarily better.

This, for example, isn't a new concept. It's taken straight from Tronti isn't it? As for the rest of it, it's all very vague. For example:

What?

Of course its better - do you really want me to dig up examples of those that exist? You appear to be in denial.

Yes, its not new, but rather than Tronti, I would say that E.P. Thompson preceeded him and his analysis. SO U, Limpcok and the others have a ahistorical (New Left non existent in their library) and ultra left Marxism which cannot understand conditions in this country because it doesn't have a grasp of the politics which informed many initiatives.:D

As for being vague what the analysis grasped was the dialectic between structure and agency in formal and informal arenas. So you are being obtuse at best and ignorant at worst.
 
cutandsplice said:
This is a great start Attica. When's the new publication coming out? This is just what we need.
This would be a great strapline as well: "Everybody is not only thinking something they shouldn't they are doing something they shouldn't too."
Respect to you. :cool:

Cheers:) :cool: Yes, I think it is good too, and there hasn't been a serious and/or accurate critique yet:D :cool:
 
As for being vague what the analysis grasped was the dialectic between structure and agency in formal and informal arenas. So you are being obtuse at best and ignorant at worst.

No, it's vague. You can't decide what it is. Your ideas need to be tested. Who is your audience?
 
Attica said:
It shows you don't understand these concepts then.

I'd have thought it shows one of the following:

a) I'm thick;
b) I'm ignorant;
c) you haven't found a way of articulating your thoughts clearly.

Or, of course, any combination of the above.

I'm quite prepared to accept either of the first two, and I continue to work on them, but I think the third needs addressing as well. It reads like a bad translation from French.
 
Attica said:
Here's a provisional attempt at definition;

Autonomous Class War applies critical analysis to; working class politics as the multitude fights the state and capitalism, the study of struggles, and the administration of business and the state. It emphasises the co -contextualising relationships of structure and agency, locating the 'everyday', routine world within structural and institutional relations but also emphasising alternative informal institutions and self valourisation outside them. It locates events, issues, media ('crime', 'deviance') and social conflict within their co - determining contexts rather than being obsessed by appearance level debate, causation, moral panic, superficial unity, partial analysis and limited organisation.

It endeavours to broaden the scope of analysis to a consideration of the working class as whole rather than isolated or small sectors, of practice and struggle rather than moral discourse, of humanity and towards dual power rather than punishment and ideologies of division, of freedom and dignity rather than discipline and control.

The structural relations of production and distribution, reproduction and patriarchy, neo-colonialism, and age are identified as the co - determining contexts. Within which the inter-relationships and mutual dependencies of structural forms of oppression can be understood, where different attempts to transcend and enforce boundaries take place, and the working class opposition manifests itself through the ever growing spread of struggles and solidarity.

Working class struggles, although they appear to be subordinate to capital, are in fact primary. Traditional leftist and anarchist vocabulary which speaks about 'resistance' is mistaken and reactionary, and thus their historic task has been to mediate the class struggle. Rather the task is to encourage the ever widening and developing working class practices and autonomous zones into potentially revolutionary moments. Moving beyond the 'permanent revolution' into permanent transcendence of expedient compromise with those who try to control how we live. To live as we choose we must suppress not only those who choose how we live, but the modes of thought that are engendered in and upon all of us. Everybody is not only thinking something they shouldn't they are doing something they shouldn't too.


"The Organisational Platform" of our times, perhaps? :)

I await "The Reply" with interest! :D

To be serious, my personal opinion is that one has to start from a very basic point and then build on it, that one can only do that from the grass roots, and that any hint of vanguardism should be stamped on. I also prefer to think that any intellectual analyses of how a "movement" operates are formulated after the birth of said "movement", not that the "movement" has been designed around a pre-existing analysis (give or take the odd "truth").
 
Nigel said:
You are a genius Trev.

I can't wait to see the outcome.
I really want to join Autonomous Class War.
It seems even madder than the National Anarchists!!:eek: :rolleyes: :D

Sorry, but theres nowt madder than the National Anarchists. :(
 
mk12 said:
Attica said:
It emphasises the co -contextualising relationships of structure and agency, locating the 'everyday', routine world within structural and institutional relations but also emphasising alternative informal institutions and self valourisation outside them
What?

Trans: (If I've "read" the quote's contex correctly)
It emphasises that social structures and relationships take place within the ambit of, and are guided/manipulated/surveilled by "the man" but also exist outside that ambit via alternative structures and agents.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Trans: (If I've "read" the quote's contex correctly)
It emphasises that social structures and relationships take place within the ambit of, and are guided/manipulated/surveilled by "the man" but also exist outside that ambit via alternative structures and agents.

Full marks. Spot on.

You can draft the next 4 paragraphs!!
 
mk12 said:
That's still gobbledegook though.

That's my great bugbear with people writing anything except academic papers in Academese.

Sometimes it can be very good at condensing complex notions into bite-sized chunks, but it can also alienate people who don't speak Academese, which happens to be the majority of the population.

It may take more words, even more paragraphs to set out one's ideas in "plain language", but I suspect that the benefits of doing so can outweigh the cost of the extra time and effort taken.

I personally tend to save academic language for the academy if at all possible. I also make a habit of dismissing the utterings of anyone who uses the word "reification" more than once a week. :)
 
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