autonomous cars - the future of motoring is driverless

Discussion in 'transport' started by roryer, Jun 13, 2014.

  1. Cid

    Cid 慢慢走

    Yeah, but think of something like this:

    [​IMG]

    Or lights that have a green cyclist. You need to be pretty confident in measuring the specific amount of light emitted at various distances... Also you'll have massive variance in general light conditions, I mean a bright day in SF is going to provide a fairly overwhelming level of general light. And, of course, broken lights - though they're a problem for anyone.
     
    cupid_stunt and BigTom like this.
  2. BigTom

    BigTom Well-Known Member

    good point - I think they'd be fine distinguishing between a round light, a cycle symbol and an arrow but yeah a street full of them like that could be confusing.
     
  3. hash tag

    hash tag Pedicabo omnes

    "Machines" night be able to make more sense of that than me! No turns. One way to left. one way to right. don't block the box........
    thats without street names, other road users and pedestraians all over the place.
     
    Almor and kabbes like this.
  4. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    They build a complete 3D representation of the world around them, so there's no ambuguity about where each light is in the world. That photo is shot with a telephot lens which compresses the depth, anyway.
     
    NoXion, editor, A380 and 1 other person like this.
  5. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    That's what I was going to say! Forget the robot, you better hope it's never me driving down that street.
     
  6. hash tag

    hash tag Pedicabo omnes

    In case anyone fancies catching up, this is worth watching Horizon, 2017: Dawn of the Driverless Car
    particularly interesting were the differences between level 3 and level 5 ( I can't remember level 4 being mentioned?).

    They did talk briefly about the Tesla death - but for me that was not a self driving car, just a car with lane control and it went wrong.
     
  7. Cid

    Cid 慢慢走

    They did talk about 4 iirc, but mostly to say it's pointless because that level of autonomy means a driver is never going to pay enough attention.
     
  8. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Might watch that now ..
     
  9. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Watched it, good program I thought, interesting and included the range from large corporates trying to reinvent transport to small startups.
     
  10. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    As I believe it's been pointed out on this thread already, autonomous cars will only work if everyone is forced to switch to them.

    If it is left to people to buy them and share the roads with human operated cars, the poor sods might find out their journey home takes three times as much, certainly in cities and busy areas, as the automated car's software will forever be giving way to the more 'proactive' human drivers. Good luck incorporating into a traffic jammed street where the oncoming traffic has preference :D
     
    cupid_stunt and A380 like this.
  11. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Yes, I have wondered about that myself, but it may be the case that auto cars might operate with closer tolerances of other vehicles permitting them to pull out when a human driver might not.
     
  12. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    The thing is in many real life situations one has to simply be a bit cheeky and inch your way in (safely of course) because otherwise you will simply not be able to join in for a very long time. If the software in command of the car has such initiative written in, fair enough. But if it is programmed to follow the Highway Code to the letter, it has all the hallmarks of being an unmitigated disaster IMO.
     
    cupid_stunt likes this.
  13. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Indeed, I often drive some nose to tail rush hour roads where if people didn't regularly let others join, in front of them, no one on the side road would join the main road at all.

    Nevertheless I don't think we are going to wake up one day and find that everyone has switched to auto cars. Firstly I think they are going to be expensive. They may have low insurance costs, if they are safer, but you can buy a £500 runabout petrol manual car now and I don't see auto cars replacing that cheap second hand market any time soon.
     
  14. A380

    A380 How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?

    Was in MK today and they have put signs up ready for the station to centre automatic pod trial...
     
  15. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic cnut, & all round knob-head.

    Sky News is featuring the driver-less pods in Milton Keynes this morning as, after years of testing, up to 40 will start operating from spring 2018.

    Funny looking things...

     
  16. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic cnut, & all round knob-head.

    This is from 7/11/18 - Google sibling Waymo launches fully autonomous ride-hailing service

    So, drive-less cabs are actually arriving in the US during 2018 as well.

     
  17. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    Why do they have to look so shit.
     
  18. hash tag

    hash tag Pedicabo omnes

    I sort of heard this the other night and it sounded interesting. There are differing conditions, around the world the cars are having difficulty coping with; foxes, kangaroos.....they also discuss issues with the law and insurance

    BBC Radio 4 - Law in Action, Driverless Cars and the Law
     
  19. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

  20. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

  21. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic cnut, & all round knob-head.

    Poor woman. :(

    That link mentions there's almost 6,000 pedestrians deaths per year on US roads, so it would be interesting to compare 'deaths per mile' between driver-less & normal cars.

    It would seem the car was not actually at fault on this occasion...

    Police Say Uber Is Likely Not at Fault for Its Self-Driving Car Fatality in Arizona
     
  22. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    They'll name some code after her, in memoriam.
     
    Bahnhof Strasse likes this.
  23. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    Unlike humans, autonomous cars shouldn't necessarily behave any differently if it's light or dark, and definitely shouldn't care if it's a marked crosswalk or not. That said, some collisions are physically unavoidable.
     
  24. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    I thought that at first, then I wondered if it would be reasonable to include in your AI a tendency towards speed restriction or other enhanced risk mitigation when approaching a marked crosswalk. After all, that's how humans drive.
     
  25. IC3D

    IC3D Post Mid Arc

    Teaching AI to assert itself in traffic could be the begining of the end of humanity. Everyone is assuming this sad death was an accident :hmm:
     
    High Voltage likes this.
  26. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    Do you think she might have seen that the car had no driver and assumed it was stationary? Or do they put dummies behind the wheel, like real life?
     
  27. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    There was a driver, just not driving.
     
  28. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    Frankly I'm fucking amazed how lax the authorities in various countries seem to have been about autonomous cars being used on public roads to any degree whatsoever, especially as many have some absurdly draconian rules for drivers at the same time.

    It seems utterly unbelievable that an unproven technology still in its infancy, and one that allows the human driver to abandon control of the vehicle to boot (until now the mother of all no-nos in most nations' motoring laws), is actually allowed to happen in the US on public roads. As I understand it it has not been approved in the UK yet but changes in the law are planned as early as this year where the driver might be allowed to take their hands off the steering wheel for up to three minutes at a time.

    Compare that with existing imbecilic laws whereby drivers are fined for eating an apple or drinking from a bottle in snail-pace speed during a traffic jam or even stationary at a traffic lights, which only a very imaginative person could possibly think is a reckless or dangerous act in any way whatsoever. But taking your hands off the wheel at 60 mph and letting a bunch of sensors drive is fine.

    I mean, what in the actual fuck? i don't doubt one day we will have mastered the technology, but we're nowhere near that point at the moment.

    ETA: the contrast between regulations governing aviation, where even minor changes must be certified by multiple bodies after hundreds of hours of testing, and those regarding autonomous cars bing used on public roads, is also interesting.
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2018
  29. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    Agreed. Law no doubt to catch up, too, with issues like which party is deemed to be "in control" of the vehicle, responsibilities for accidents like this (Uber? Driver who should have reacted? Makers of self drive tech? Google maps?)
     
  30. hash tag

    hash tag Pedicabo omnes

    I also saw there was a "driver" in the uber car that killed that poor woman, but why, what were they for? Given that the legislation and insurance for Driverless cars is still in it's infancy, I wonder who will get the blame, the non driver, the programmer or uber?
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice