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PartisanDulwich

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Hayes V Dulwich Hamlet

"An unofficial record attendance 12,000 after the gates were rushed some years ago"
Uxbridge Advertiser 2 February 1951
 

PartisanDulwich

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Nigerian team that played Dulwich Hamlet 17 September 1949 at Champion Hill
(many of the Players played for Nigerian Trains FC attendance 18,000
 
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PartisanDulwich

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Top Non League Crowds 16th November 2019

5287 Notts County
4090 Chesterfield
3132 Dulwich Hamlet
2986 Yeovil Town
2770 Torquay United

Dulwich Hamlet third highest
 

Bugpowder Dust

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Just 245 hardy souls braved the cold tonight. What a contrast to 4 days ago, when we had over ten times as many people turn up.

Meanwhile Bromley had a huge 4558 people show up to watch their FA Cup replay down the road, great for them.
 

Duckula 3:16

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Just 245 hardy souls braved the cold tonight. What a contrast to 4 days ago, when we had over ten times as many people turn up.

Meanwhile Bromley had a huge 4558 people show up to watch their FA Cup replay down the road, great for them.
Why don't the fans come to the cup games?
 

Latahs

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A valid question.
If we assume it was pointed and rhetorical (as I did initially) then read no further...

If it wasn't, then its potentially answerable, by dissecting who 'the fans' are and the dynamics of attendance.

I'd say there's a hardcore of about 600-800 who would go to every game given the chance - which I will use as my definition of 'fans' here (NB: I believe that there are ST holders who wouldn't fit in this category).

Even given the notice of a league fixture I'd speculate we'd lose half of them due to work or other commitments during the week. The shorter notice of the LSC and the fact that autumn fixtures are always more sparsely attended might reduce that by another 20-25% leaving you about the number we had last night.

I've always speculated (including earlier in this thread) that attendance at this sort of fixture and away ones indicate the number of attendees we're radicalizing. When I was membership engagement lead for DHST I used to worry about this and how you could stimulate more people to full-blown DHFC-mania.

Basically I formed the opinion that for the most part a significant percentage of attendees just want to turn up on a few Saturday's a year with a few mates (maybe one of which will be DHFC hxc) and forget about it. This is perfectly fine and a boon for the club, but finds its reflection is attendances at matches like this and the ratio of first half vs. second half key jangling.

I think that building a real hardcore following that'll push weekday attendance to something commensurate with weekend is going to take the best part of a decade and wont be helped by losing 2-3 to FUCKING WINGATE! :)
 

blueheaven

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Why don't the fans come to the cup games?
I'm a season ticket holder but didn't go last night, for a variety of reasons really: it was a game in a lesser cup competition; a second string was likely to be fielded; it wasn't included on the season ticket; it was bloody freezing; mid-week games are generally more of a pain to get to/from; there are a lot of home games happening at the moment and in general I felt like taking a break from it.
 

StephenMac

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If we assume it was pointed and rhetorical (as I did initially) then read no further...

If it wasn't, then its potentially answerable, by dissecting who 'the fans' are and the dynamics of attendance.

I'd say there's a hardcore of about 600-800 who would go to every game given the chance - which I will use as my definition of 'fans' here (NB: I believe that there are ST holders who wouldn't fit in this category).

Even given the notice of a league fixture I'd speculate we'd lose half of them due to work or other commitments during the week. The shorter notice of the LSC and the fact that autumn fixtures are always more sparsely attended might reduce that by another 20-25% leaving you about the number we had last night.

I've always speculated (including earlier in this thread) that attendance at this sort of fixture and away ones indicate the number of attendees we're radicalizing. When I was membership engagement lead for DHST I used to worry about this and how you could stimulate more people to full-blown DHFC-mania.

Basically I formed the opinion that for the most part a significant percentage of attendees just want to turn up on a few Saturday's a year with a few mates (maybe one of which will be DHFC hxc) and forget about it. This is perfectly fine and a boon for the club, but finds its reflection is attendances at matches like this and the ratio of first half vs. second half key jangling.

I think that building a real hardcore following that'll push weekday attendance to something commensurate with weekend is going to take the best part of a decade and wont be helped by losing 2-3 to FUCKING WINGATE! :)
Yep, think that's pretty much all right I think.

I'm not criticising the 'occasionals'. As you quite rightly point out that it brings in mucho cash. Was having a conversation on the way home where it was agreed that there is probably a good 10,000 of them.

Just interested as to why (without having done any fascinating number crunching) why these LSC-type games haven't seen a commensurate rise in attendances in the last few years. Think you've nailed it.

For what it's worth (very little indeed), I quite enjoyed my brief spell behind the goal last night, despite the horror show on the pitch. Nothing wrong with the gallows humour and self-distraction that rubbish runs like our current one bring about.

Also, nobody has to justify not going to these minor competition matches. But I like them.
 

StephenMac

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I'm a season ticket holder but didn't go last night, for a variety of reasons really: it was a game in a lesser cup competition; a second string was likely to be fielded; it wasn't included on the season ticket; it was bloody freezing; mid-week games are generally more of a pain to get to/from; there are a lot of home games happening at the moment and in general I felt like taking a break from it.
All perfectly valid reasons. I don't think there are any weird conversations about authenticity or what not going on.
 

bkbk

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I'm a season ticket holder but didn't go last night, for a variety of reasons really: it was a game in a lesser cup competition; a second string was likely to be fielded; it wasn't included on the season ticket; it was bloody freezing; mid-week games are generally more of a pain to get to/from; there are a lot of home games happening at the moment and in general I felt like taking a break from it.
and they ran out of pies
 

Latahs

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Yep, think that's pretty much all right I think.

I'm not criticising the 'occasionals'. As you quite rightly point out that it brings in mucho cash. Was having a conversation on the way home where it was agreed that there is probably a good 10,000 of them.

Just interested as to why (without having done any fascinating number crunching) why these LSC-type games haven't seen a commensurate rise in attendances in the last few years. Think you've nailed it.

For what it's worth (very little indeed), I quite enjoyed my brief spell behind the goal last night, despite the horror show on the pitch. Nothing wrong with the gallows humour and self-distraction that rubbish runs like our current one bring about.

Also, nobody has to justify not going to these minor competition matches. But I like them.
The occasionals are fine when they aren't diluting the experience, and the ST non-attendees should sign a register of absence on here :D:D:D. But I would think that because I can't enjoy anything without making it a quasi-life-defining vocation.

Another useful metric in working out the number of first timers at a game would be sales of DHST bar scarves- this was very high last Saturday.
 

cg__

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Game's gone...
You joke, but evening games can be an ordeal if you turn up hungry straight from work and the food situation is a shambles, like it was at that Maidstone tuesday night game a while back. If I was heading to an evening game and I hadnt been able to eat beforehand I think I would be somewhat discouraged by my previous experience of spending a good portion of the game with my back to the pitch in a huge queue trying to hustle for a pie
 

StephenMac

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You joke, but evening games can be an ordeal if you turn up hungry straight from work and the food situation is a shambles, like it was at that Maidstone tuesday night game a while back. If I was heading to an evening game and I hadnt been able to eat beforehand I think I would be somewhat discouraged by my previous experience of spending a good portion of the game with my back to the pitch in a huge queue trying to hustle for a pie
You're right, something's are just too serious to make light of.

Hustling for pies is a bit extreme though.
 

editor

hiraethified
Yep, think that's pretty much all right I think.

I'm not criticising the 'occasionals'. As you quite rightly point out that it brings in mucho cash. Was having a conversation on the way home where it was agreed that there is probably a good 10,000 of them.

Just interested as to why (without having done any fascinating number crunching) why these LSC-type games haven't seen a commensurate rise in attendances in the last few years. Think you've nailed it.

For what it's worth (very little indeed), I quite enjoyed my brief spell behind the goal last night, despite the horror show on the pitch. Nothing wrong with the gallows humour and self-distraction that rubbish runs like our current one bring about.

Also, nobody has to justify not going to these minor competition matches. But I like them.
I was looking forward more to the Wingate calamity than the Billericay disaster, but unforeseen circumstances meant I couldn't make it in the end. To be honest, I usually prefer games with 'intimate' crowds.

I am also a serial season ticket non-attender because of the band, but I'm happy to keep on buying 'em every year. Every little helps and all that.
 

StephenMac

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I was looking forward more to the Wingate calamity than the Billericay disaster, but unforeseen circumstances meant I couldn't make it in the end. To be honest, I usually prefer games with 'intimate' crowds.

I am also a serial season ticket non-attender because of the band, but I'm happy to keep on buying 'em every year. Every little helps and all that.
I also often prefer a smaller crowd. Definitely not a crime.
 

StephenMac

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Now that's taking it to an extreme!

My take is that I enjoy smaller rather than larger crowds. This is not a criticism of those who make up the larger crowds and it's not a criticism of the club. Just have a preference for clear sight lines, access to the bar and toilets, and being surrounded by similarly invested supporters. It's why I tend to prefer away days. Woking being a big exception, obviously.

But it is what it is and is my problem. I don't think it's an elitist or 'authentic' view. Just an opinion.
 

PartisanDulwich

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Boxing Day 2019 2,089 (despite poor weather)
1,000 down on last season (3,002 V Eastbourne) - but Boxing day 2018 represented our first home game after returning from exile
 
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PartisanDulwich

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Correction
Chelmsford Chronicle - Friday 05 November 1937


Dulwich Hamlet V Walthamstow Avenue - London Charity Cup semi final
attendance 12,000
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