Discussion in 'Dulwich Hamlet FC' started by Jamie Wyatt, May 5, 2014.
I feel like dcdulwich hasn’t done much in August so far...
Would he be kind enough to list first tuesday attendances from last 3 seasons please?
Anything for you mon frere. I’ve done a few extra than you asked for in an attempt to make up for my indolence...
First home Tuesday league game crowds from recent seasons:
727 vs East Thurrock Utd 8/8/18 (at Imperial Fields)
659 vs Hendon 12/9/17
843 vs Enfield Town 16/8/16
625 vs Leatherhead 8/9/15
513 vs Peacehaven & Telscombe 19/8/14
479 vs Cray Wanderers 20/8/13
330 vs Hythe Town 30/10/12
In 2012/13 our Tues average was higher than for Sat/BH largely due to a crowd of 1073 vs Maidstone. That was not bettered midweek until 2017/18 when we had 1199 on 14/11/17. That’s our best Tuesday crowd since accurate records were kept.
Excellent. Targets set for tonight then
I hope you pulled this out from the spreadsheet via your phone like you did for me once before, it was tres impressive.
10th August 2019
first Home Saturday game of the season V St Albans
Beating previous highest in modern times (ie last 50 years)
Dulwich Hamlet v Staines Town - 1,096 (August 2017)
First home game of the 2019/20 season at home was V Wealdsdtone
Tuesday evening 6th August 2019 (note not bank holiday weekday)
Tues 6th Aug 2019
this set a record attendance for the first home game of the season in modern times
Average attendances so far (11/08/19)
Maidstone United 2,015
Dulwich Hamlet 1,442
Havant & Waterlooville 1,348
Tonbridge A 954
1,521 against Concord Rangers 17 Aug 2019 (second Saturday home game)
on a sunny day
DHFC Average home attendance now 1,468 (2nd)
Maidstone United remain top of attendance in the League 1,847
August record home attendance remains 1,866
*correction thanks to Pink Panther note below
It's actually 1,866 v Tooting & Mitcham United, Bank Holiday Monday 28 August 2018 2017. The Isthmian League kindly gave us our best two opportunities of a bumper crowd in August, when attendances tend to be at their lowest. A feat repeated this season by the National League with the Wealdstone and Maidstone games both on early midweek evenings.
Was the game against Tooting in august 2018 at KNK
Dulwich Hamlet Women's Team V Aylesford (first league game)
18th August 2019
Orient (21st July 2019 first game) 225
AFC Wimbledon, (28th July) 156 (updated thanks)
Crystal Palace (4 Aug) 244 (also seen 224)
Crawley Wasps (11 Aug) 132
Sorry, that should have read 2017. It was at Champion Hill when Kenny Beaney scored twice in a 2-1 win. We never played a home game with Tooting on their ground, and didn't play them at all in 2018.
DHFC Women had a higher gate than every division, up until the Championship.
Turns out that Tuesday’s attendance was actually 1684.
There was a problem with one of the turnstile tablets syncing.
Highest midweek league attendance since reliable records were kept (previous best being Wealdstone in August).
More than double our previous best September midweek league gate (811 on 2/9/2014 vs Margate).
Average attendances up to and including 14th September 2019 (including Hungerford game 2,071 (average to date 1,707)
That FA Cup attendance 1,689 against Bognor Regis on Saturday 21 September must have been one of biggest in modern times given we always seem to have been drawn away in recent years ?
In the last three seasons we have had one home AND one away game before being knocked out. In 2016/17 we lost at home. You have to go back to 2015/16 when we had no home games, two away before being knocked out. And the year before that we lost at home to lower division Worthing...
Probably our biggest home FA Cup gate since Southport in The First Round Proper!
Quite possibly more spectators than we had v Southport tbh.
The turnstile counters were bust back then and we had no idea of exactly how many people were in the ground on the day. I was locked away in the club offices during the match, with two others, counting the gate receipts. (They had to be declared to the FA before the final whistle for some reason.)
Two of us stuck our heads out of the bar, guessed a rough crowd figure of 1,800 and then worked out a way of divvying up the receipts to an attendance of 1,835. Hey presto, that was the official attendance.
The declared gate v Southport was roughly right but a margin of error +/- 147 is quite plausible.
It made me smile for years whenever I saw that 1,835 figure cited as the record gate at the current stadium.
The actual Southport crowd was higher than that... the then owners allegedly knocked several hundred off the gate...
The money was accounted for correctly on the day and the declared gate was based upon that figure.
We collected the cash from all the turnstiles as well it wasn't a case of counting five turnstiles and "accidentally" forgetting the sixth. No-one from the then ownership was present in the room or had any input into the crowd figure that was declared. (One tried to lurk, we threw them out.) The declared gate figure was made up by me and two others and declared to the F.A. without their knowledge. The gate figure declared was the figure we made up. We even accounted in the total for the cash bag that we found after we initially thought we had finished. (We guessed the gate at about 1,800. X adults + Y pensioners + Z kids totalling to 1,835 equalled the exact amount of cash in the office.)
After totalling all the receipts you then do the deductions in F.A. Cup games - or did back then - prior to the distribution of funds between DHFC, SFC and the FA. This is quite legitimate and within competition rules. A sum was deducted to cover match day expenses and Southport's travel / hotel expenses etc. The deduction was eye wateringly large, I remember querying whether they had stayed on Park Lane. I can't remember the admission pricing back then however; the deduction would have amounted to around 150 - 200 paying adults.
Was at the Southport FA Cup game - from my recollection at least 2 to 3 deep around the ground
Compared to today's attendance seemed more like 2,500 ish
The only way that is possible is if an abnormally large number of pensioners or children were present - when coming up wthe the gate figure announced we used the typical % figures at at the time, or a substantial sum of money never entered the cash office and I had no reason to suspect that on the day. (I collected most of it myself so would have been a bit suspicious if a turnstile I hadn't collected from for half an hour handed over a tenner.) The cash present in the cash office that day just didn't tally with that sort of figure.
If Southport had thought it was that high we'd have had a bit of a row tbh and they were happy with the declared breakdown.
I'm not sure it would be a great idea to knock more than a quarter of the crowd off when TV was present to record the evidence! Everyone knows strange things occasionally happen to cup gate declarations but 25% would be a bit too blatant.
Note edited to remove typos as was done on a phone.
Never seen anyone dispute Dulwich Hamlet record non-league attendance
16,254 attendance in 10th October 1931 (many newspapers reported this as 20,000)
Dulwich Hamlet V Nunhead
(First game at the new Champion Hill stadium )
I've always seen our record quoted as the record attendance for an Amateur league match .I believe there were bigger attendances for professional non-league matches, i.e. Southern League, which included the likes of Ipswich, Norwich and Peterborough in their non-league days.
The linked article is of course hopelessly inaccurate. Bristol Rovers aren't even close to having "the highest league game crowd outside the Football League". A typical example of modern revisionism, with the National League discounting everything preceding its own formation just like the Premier League does.
Thanks for that take and information Pink Panther
"Why, it has been asked should an amateur club whose average gate numbers no more than few thousands want a ground that would meeet the needs of many leading professional clubs"
(The suspicion in some quarters was that the Club had built a 35,000 stadium in order to pave the way for professional status- a step totally and utterly denied by the Club)
Daily Herald 6th October 1931
13th London Charity Cup Final
Dulwich Hamlet (1) V Nunhead (0)
Davis 80th minute
13th December 1919
"The largest crowd ever seen on the Dulwich ground"
The Globe - 13th December 1919
Ah that’ll be the ground on Greendale, the same Greendale NIMBYs claim has never been built on...
FA CUP 2019/20
1,834 attendance for Dulwich Hamlet V Eastbourne Borough in the FA Cup 5th October 2019
As scousedom points out probably one of the largest if not the largest attendances in the FA Cup competition this season so far ?? second highest looks like our previous Cup game against Bognor Regis Town 1,689
Today Maidstone got 1,258, Halesowen 1,235, Tamworth (V Hereford) 1,206, Stourbridge 1.048 and for "Ricay" spotters Billericay got 678
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