Discussion in 'Dulwich Hamlet FC' started by Jamie Wyatt, May 5, 2014.
Previous Boxing Day attendances ???
We had 1,700+ against Kingstonian three years ago, that's comfortably the largest I can recall, and we beat them 5-1 and I won £160 on the 50/50!
No idea about yesteryear when we had proper local derby matches.
Kingstonian 2015 - 1713
Grays Athletic 2013 - 595
Prediction for Wednesday.
Boxing day 2018
Dulwich Hamlet 2 Eastbourne Borough 1
second highest in the League this season (record Torquay United 3,863 V Truro city also today)
..and 2? Thought our cap was 3,000?
I was told 2 people left at half time so 2 more were admitted. Apparently a couple of hundred were locked out.
There were certainly people being turned away when we came in about 2:15.
Our capacity is higher than 3000 as it has recently been calculated using the accepted method for a non regulated stadium. It was the club's decision to limit to 3000 in the interests of being able to manage this game.
3,000 was the estimate just before kick off. A judgement call was taken on the basis of s/t holders who hadn’t pitched up by then and additional spaces were released accordingly. At h/t, two people wanted to leave and two punters were admitted on the basis of the two who had left; so 3,002 attendance but not all there at the same time. Not sure how many (if any) didn’t get in but if there were any that were disappointed, then to quote DulwichHammer ”you can’t say we didn’t warn you!” A magnificent day.
They were shot down.
Only Mishi, droning on that we should be happy just to stay up and can forget about the play-offs!
Ha ha, like it, you’re sounding like the fans of a certain team in Sheffield 6, they have crowds of that size every week apparently.
Very good turnout though and an important win. Well done to all concerned.
liamdhfc is spot on here. Our self-assessed limit is 3344 but the club’s directors took a view that a maximum capacity of 3000 should remain in place.
In reality, having seen the stadium in operation at close to its peak capacity, a couple of adjustments are likely to be made to the capacity assessment. That will not affect the 3000 limit unless we receive advice to the contrary in a visit we will organise from Southwark and the Sports Ground Safety Authority in the new year.
Is my crazy notion of trying to crowdfund some cheapo raised scaffold terracing with a corrugated iron roof still a non starter? As much as I positively revelled in the bumper crowd, the view was awful for many people.
There would be other aspects like planning regulations, health & safety, passing ground grading regulations & so on... but why not ask the Football Club for a meeting to see if this is feasable or not...
Have you any idea on how much you think it would cost?
The trouble is that you can't dictate where people stand with the current configuration of the ground. It was clear to me that, especially in the second half, the end we were attacking was significantly more crowded than the one we were defending, so you could easily have got a few hundred more in as long as they stood where the spaces were. But you can't really control that, and the last thing we need is to fall foul of any safety regulations.
That's probably something best addressed properly for the start of next season. I'd say a temporary seated stand between the main stand and the outside bar, similar to those you get at cricket festivals or golf tournaments, would be a good start. I'm not sure of the safety regulations for a standing terrace but I don't think you're allowed more than 6 steps without crush barriers.
I'd guess they're pretty do-able though, Whitehawk's stand has been scaffolding for ages, and their far end is temporary bleachers, similarly.
I haven't, as I have no experience of scaffold costings, but given the amount of small, cash-strapped clubs who have managed to build similar structures, I imagine that they must be reasonably affordable - even more so if the club finds people with the suitable expertise in their fanbase.
Given the size of our crowds - and the positive publicity we generate in the national press - you would think that we'd be in with a good chance of securing a good deal, or even bagging some sponsorship....
Even 6 steps would be a vast improvement, and a roof would certainly help the atmosphere.
It's surely on the list of things that we can do to improve 'matchday experience' but given the timescales and resources that have been available, am just happy that we've got home, and had a sell out crowd.
The most important thing is that these decisions now rest with people who have the best intentions for both the club and the fans.
The future is bright.
I agree but if, for the sake of argument, some sort of usable stand could be bought/hired for £6,000 or whatever and there were people (like myself) happy to shove some money towards its crowdfunded costs, then surely it shouldn't have any impact on any other plans or take up any resources?
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We had a quote done for pukka modular covered terracing with six extra steps that could sit on the current raised areas behind the goals. They were like the ones behind the goal at Slough. Not cheap though for an extra 240 standing places at each end.
We also looked into renting a stand when it looked possible that our first home game might be vs Torquay and it might have had to have been segregated. The sums didn’t really add up at our admission prices. Tbf though we didn’t seek more than a few quotes and a longer term rental may be more affordable per game.
I would say, for the sake of argument, you can't even consider crowdfunding, until you've done a proper assessment of quotes and costs, surely?
Which is why I'm starting the conversation here.
I think it's fairly obvious that these stands can't be prohibitively expensive because so many small clubs have them, and I'm hoping that as this discussion continues, people will be able to contribute more informed opinions and suggest costings etc. I'm clearly not going to even suggest a crowdfunding campaign before we know how how much it's going to cost because that would be an exceptionally dim thing to do.
I'm kind of hoping we can find out more about the non-standard terracing that we've seen at loads of away games which I'm confident will be cheaper. Heck, there may even be scaffolders amongst our midst who can sort out favourable deals etc.
Very much behind the idea of temporary covered standing. The T&M excile was made slightly less painful by the ground itself. Can we just nick it like we did with the Shak?
If not, I guess it's a nice problem to have (again!)
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