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Discussion in 'Dulwich Hamlet FC' started by Jamie Wyatt, May 5, 2014.

  1. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    On the official Scottish Premier League website the St. Johnstone attendance is given as 2,933.
  2. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    But...I'm not told the lower figure quoted is the correct one! so PartisanDulwich is correct in his original posting. Who knows? ;)
  3. blueheaven

    blueheaven Well-Known Member

    I checked this with St Johnstone as a few different figures were quoted on various sites - they confirmed that 2793 is correct.

    I believe this could be the first time a Dulwich Saturday home match has had a higher crowd than a SPL/Scottish Premiership Saturday 3pm match (it's something I regularly check for and haven't seen it happen before).
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  4. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member


    spike due to AFC Wimbledon attendances while in the League
  5. YTC

    YTC Human Man

    Pretty old this!!
  6. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    hoping somebody might update
    average this year in the Ryman Premier 354 (Dulwich Hamlet 1,255)
  7. dcdulwich

    dcdulwich Well-Known Member

    The above is an index where the average attendance in 2004/5 (323) is designated as 100.
    I already get enough stick for playing about with spreadsheets. If someone wants to update the index using the average attendances they are as follows:

    2004/05 - 323
    2005/06 - 466 (+44.3%) - on previous season
    2006/07 - 491 (+5.4%)
    2007/08 - 504 (+2.6%)
    2008/09 - 418 (-17.1%)
    2009/10 - 349 (-16.5%)
    2010/11 - 341 (-2.3%)
    2011/12 - 316 (-7.3%)
    2012/13 - 297 (-6.0%)
    2013/14 - 377 (+26.9%)
    2014/15 - 390 (+3.4%)
    2015/16 - 314 (-19.5%)
    2016/17 - 354 (to date)
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  8. dcdulwich

    dcdulwich Well-Known Member

    Or fill your boots with even more data from as far back as I can easily find - with 2016/7 updated for yesterday's games.
    Turns out 1998/99 was peak Ryman:
    Season - Average Attendance
    1988/89 306
    1989/90 394
    1990/91 451
    1991/92 518
    1992/93 461
    1993/94 437
    1994/95 450
    1995/96 484
    1996/97 498
    1997/98 448
    1998/99 571
    1999/00 538
    2000/01 443
    2001/02 462
    2002/03 432*
    2003/04 369*
    2004/05 323
    2005/06 466
    2006/07 491
    2007/08 504
    2008/09 418
    2009/10 349
    2010/11 341
    2011/12 316
    2012/13 297
    2013/14 377*
    2014/15 390*
    2015/16 314*
    2016/17 357*
    *24 teams (remainder 22 teams)
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2017
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  9. Al Cunningham

    Al Cunningham Brockley Hamlet

    1998/99 would be Aldershot's first season i in the Ryman Premier
  10. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    That's very interesting stats
    it would seem to show attendances across the League have fallen by approx 100 since the 1990's
    I think the fantastic achievements of a few clubs like our own in increasing attendances, are obscuring some very worrying underlining trends
    infact if you strip out Dulwich hamlets attendances, I fear attendances in Ryman Premier could be down below the 300 mark

    Because at the end of the day attendances are a key indicator of the life of a Club at any level
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2017
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  11. B.I.G

    B.I.G Well-Known Member

    Non-league football has not increased in popularity due to the sky money. Its a myth perpetuated by journalists as writing about people watching football on streams isn't as interesting.

    Non-league sides aren't interested in expanding their fanbase beyond men over 40 and the occasional group of young teenagers.

    Billericay will get a few more old men and few more teenagers as they get better players.
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  12. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    I guess going to away games gives you much more insight (I am afraid I only get to very few and usually bigger games) into how bad things are (but I did get that vibe at Grays this year or VCD last year)

    But those Ryman League attendance stats are horrific for the future of Non-League football and you have to ask yourself why the FA would allow such a situation to continue - why no task force - why no help/advice/resources to help clubs become community orientated and provide adequate facilities

    Interesting if its just Ryman or other Leagues - we must assume it is a national trend
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  13. B.I.G

    B.I.G Well-Known Member

    FA must be happy with professionalisation of non-league football as National League is basically league 3 now.

    No drinking in FA Trophy matches plus no regulation for clubs running massive losses.

    No one can tell me that clubs want to reach out into their community. Kingstonian. No. Bognor. No. Leatherhead. No.

    Any initiatives. No.
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  14. AndyF

    AndyF DHFC Beer Aficionado

    FA are clueless and hopeless. The bottom line is it takes a huge amount of work and a great team. We have that.
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  15. B.I.G

    B.I.G Well-Known Member

    I would love to work for FA. Saw football league show earlier. People went on the pitch. There wont be an investigation.
  16. EDC

    EDC A Slightly Less Invisible Cyber Fan These Days

    There was a 3000+ crowd at one of the FA Vase semis yeterday.
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  17. YTC

    YTC Human Man

    The northern leagues are much healthier than The south, both regional and national south. Look at South Shields, Sporting, Salford, Darlo, Stourbridge. All growing season on season.
  18. Northern Dave

    Northern Dave Active Member

    Remember the Ryman Premier is a step lower than in the 90s, going from step 2 (not that I think we called it that back then) to step 3 in 2004 with the formation of Conference North and South.
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  19. Pink Panther

    Pink Panther Well-Known Member

    Yes, I think it took them four seasons to win the league and go up. (No play offs in those days, just champions promoted directly to Conference National.) And there's another spike from 2005-2008 when AFC Norbiton were in this division.
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  20. dcdulwich

    dcdulwich Well-Known Member

    There you go - with added detail on numeric attendances - as well as indexed ones as per original:

    Last edited: Mar 18, 2017
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  21. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    Attendance: 2,805.today V Billericay Town

    Third attendance over 2,000 in the League this season

    should help our averages

    That would be our fourth highest ever attendance at the new Champion Hill stadium

    (well done to those who helped build the attendance - must never take it for granted)

    Shame we lost - but we fight on
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  22. B.I.G

    B.I.G Well-Known Member

    We fight on to win? :D #milk
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  23. cambelt

    cambelt Well-Known Member

    Have we ever won with an attendance of over 2000?
  24. dcdulwich

    dcdulwich Well-Known Member

    Haha! Good question. I know what you mean and it may seem that way when the big crowds are in but:

    2249 vs Enfield Town 2-0
    2012 vs Harrow Borough 4-0
    2467 vs Lewes 2-1

    2032 vs Worthing 4-1

    The only times we've lost with a 2000+ crowd have both been this season: against Bognor and today. (Guiseley in the FA Trophy in 2016 was 1949).
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2017
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  25. dcdulwich

    dcdulwich Well-Known Member

    Our league average for this season is now 1285 vs 1254 after the same number of games last season.

    This is in spite of the fact that we have already played more mid-week games (7) than last season (6).

    We do have another Tuesday game to come though, against Leatherhead. And we did finish last season with a bit of a flourish (crowd-wise) with 2467 at the last home game against Lewes (which we won - see above!).
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2017
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  26. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    TOP NON LEAGUE CROWDS (25th March 2017)

    Lincoln City 6,798
    Tranmere 4,514
    Stockport 3,349
    Wrexham 3,328
    FC United 3,149
    Dulwich Hamlet 2,805
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  27. dcdulwich

    dcdulwich Well-Known Member

    Next highest in the Ryman Premier yesterday:
    Bognor 587 (vs Canvey)
    Lowestoft 545 (vs Folkestone)
    Tonbridge 529 (vs Harlow)

    41% of all fans attending the 12 Ryman Premier games yesterday were at Champion Hill.

    The average at games excluding ours was 373. With ours it was 576.

    Just a pity about the result :(
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2017
  28. YTC

    YTC Human Man

    Where have those start if the season 'Anti KFH' conspiracy theorists now? I think someone owes me money...;)
  29. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    "41% of all fans attending the 12 Ryman Premier games yesterday (25th March 2017) were at Champion Hill."

    Stato (aka dcdulwich)

    Incredible statistic
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  30. dcdulwich

    dcdulwich Well-Known Member

    Isn't Statto that fat bloke who lolls around in a dressing gown?
    Fair enough. Easy mistake to make.
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