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Atos Medicals - Questions, Answers and Support

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Zabo, Jan 12, 2012.

  1. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    Fucking cockweasels WouldBe utter fucking cockweasels
     
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  2. Libertad

    Libertad Man of Steal

    That's all a bit shit WouldBe, I'm sorry.
     
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  3. WouldBe

    WouldBe non smoking

    Not sure how I feel at the moment apart from being numb. :eek:
     
  4. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

  5. iona

    iona toxic clown

    Fucksake WouldBe :mad: Do you have another stage of appeal you can take it to? It shouldn't be this hard :(
     
  6. iona

    iona toxic clown

    Does anyone know when PIP payments are started from (do they backdate to face-to-face, form sent or received, initial phone call...)?

    I've just noticed some money's gone into my account, but no letter yet so no idea what I've been awarded.
     
  7. WouldBe

    WouldBe non smoking

    There is but god knows how long it will take to get through that. :(

    I'll look into it next week.
     
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  8. WouldBe

    WouldBe non smoking

    AFAIK it starts from when you applied for it.
     
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  9. Jackobi

    Jackobi swallows anything

    EDIT: Nevermind, I noticed that you've had a tribunal already.
     
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2017
  10. Jackobi

    Jackobi swallows anything

    As long as you submitted the application form within the time limit specified, your payments will start from the date which you phoned and asked for the form.
     
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  11. iona

    iona toxic clown

    Thanks WouldBe and Jackobi

    Letter came today - been given standard rate daily living, as I thought. I got 10 points in total; only 2 ("needs prompting") for "mixing with people". Think I should have got 4 points there ("needs social support") - which would have given me the points for enhanced rate - as I'm definitely not able to socialise "reliably, in a timely fashion, repeatedly and as often as needed" without that support, or even with that support much of the time, although I do just about manage on my good days (which are nothing like 50% of the time).

    Not sure whether to risk an appeal or just be grateful for what I've got.
     
  12. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

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  13. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    if you've been awarded 10 pts surely they can't take those away. Does anyone here know if appeals can make things worse?
     
  14. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    iona sorry you didn't get enough points :(

    It shouldn't be this hard for people to get the support they need.
     
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  15. iona

    iona toxic clown

    Of course they can, this is the DWP we're talking about.
     
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  16. iona

    iona toxic clown

    I got enough points for standard rate daily living :) That's more than many others get first go round.
     
  17. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    At least that's something x
     
  18. fishfinger

    fishfinger تپلی

    iona pleased to hear that you managed to get some sort of award. If it's not what you believe you should have been awarded, then have you asked for a mandatory reconsideration?
     
  19. chainsawjob

    chainsawjob Cautiously impulsive

    Really sorry to hear how it went WouldBe, it's horrible how hostile and heartless it all is.
     
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  20. chainsawjob

    chainsawjob Cautiously impulsive

    Difficult. Don't know what I'd do tbh. Glad you got something though, as you say, a lot don't first time round, in the current climate.
     
  21. chainsawjob

    chainsawjob Cautiously impulsive

    I got my appeal in last week, it felt like a huge weight that had been hanging over me had been lifted. It's only an appeal against them deciding I didn't have a good enough reason for not attending the assessment though, to decide whether they will actually arrange me another one. And I have to go before a tribunal to argue this, it's madness really. Think I might change my mind and ask them to decide it on the papers though. Not sure what else I can say about why I didn't attend, and why I feel I gave a good enough and reasonable reason (even though the advice seems to be that attending in person gives you a better chance of being successful). I've given them pages of reasons and evidence.
     
  22. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    They can make things worse, but current odds are running at just over 60% of appeals being revised in favour of the claimant, so a two-in-three chance of winning, more or less. Thing is, tribunals refer to case law, and actually scrutinise all the paperwork, whereas the DWP's "decision maker" merely refers to a manual to decide whether or not you should score on certain grounds. The issue there is that however fluent and detailed your answer, you may lose out because the "decision maker" interprets your answer outside the context in which you've answered it.
     
  23. WouldBe

    WouldBe non smoking

    Just got a letter from the DWP explaining what I scored on my ESA assessment that I requested. I was awarded just 15 points for not being able to walk 50m and no points for anything else including stuff covered by their work psychology report. I was only awarded 4 points for pip (walk 50-200m). Why is there no fucking consistency between departments? :facepalm::mad::mad::mad:
     
  24. iona

    iona toxic clown

    I don't know what I believe I should have been awarded, tbh :facepalm:

    The whole process is such a headfuck, they make you feel like you're a blagger who's not entitled to anything and at the same time you get so used to fighting for what you are due that it's hard to tell when to stop.

    I don't think I should have got just 2 points for that descriptor, but the wording makes it difficult to tell - for me it's more a case of managing, barely, without support or promoting on a good day but not being able to mix with people at all even with support much of the rest of the time. I don't fit neatly into one category. And how often is "regularly, as often as required, etc"? I genuinely have no idea what would be considered "normal" and how far away from that I am. I don't think I feel "severely limited in my ability to carry out daily living tasks" compared to some other people so maybe trying for enhanced rate is just being greedy? Or maybe I'm way more fucked than I realised and I definitely should've got it.

    Gonna speak to my support worker this week and see what he thinks. Letter is dated 2nd October so I've got a couple of weeks for the MR if I do decide to.
     
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  25. chainsawjob

    chainsawjob Cautiously impulsive

    It's such a head-fuck WouldBe, it's a joke that there is such inconsistency (although joke is much too polite a word, maybe just bollocks is more suitable), I'm sorry you're going through both PIP and ESA.

    I think evidence from ESA reports can be taken into consideration for PIP decisions, but I'm not sure if you're at the end of the road with PIP or whether there is further you can/are able/want to take it.

    Edit: Cross-posted with iona, notice that head-fuck seems to be the term that springs to mind not just with me :(
     
  26. chainsawjob

    chainsawjob Cautiously impulsive

    Yes it's very difficult to tell with the descriptors whether you meet the criteria for however many points iona. I hope your support worker will be able to advise you. Or I have found Benefits and Work to be very good for advice online. I have membership and access to their guides to filling in the ESA forms, and what you need to show to meet the criteria, how best to describe how things affect your day to day functioning, let me know if it would help to see the guides.
     
  27. xsunnysuex

    xsunnysuex Life is a horizontal fall.

    Does anyone have any recommendations for recording equipment please? My brother received his home assessment appointment for pip today, 19th Oct. Cheaper the better as he's been without much money since suffering his stroke in April. Thanks muchly. :thumbs:
     
  28. WouldBe

    WouldBe non smoking

    Use anything you can get your hands on. Apparently there are no rules regarding recording assessments so there can't be any rules regarding what you use.

    If you need to go to tribunal the tribunal can accept evidence that would be rejected by a court of law. :)
     
  29. WouldBe

    WouldBe non smoking

    Fortunately I've been awarded ESA support group so don't need to worry about that.

    As for PIP I will be taking it as far as possible because it's clearly wrong. I'm sure they didn't take into account the thorough work psychology test into account. I've looked us what a mini mental state exam should consist of and it's 11 questions, none of which I was asked in any shape or form and their attempt at testing my maths didn't take into account that I had learned the answer through simple repetition. The OT didn't seem to know what she was on about. She suggested I needed to climb the stairs more to improve my quads. I immediately knew there was something wrong with that statement but it took me 3 hours for it to finally dawn that the reason I had a downstairs loo fitted was because I was finding it increasingly difficult to climb the stairs to start with. If climbing stairs was good for my leg problems the hill walking should also be good for me except it was while hill walking that the knee problem started in the first place. One of the first things the GP did was remind me we were only a stones throw from the bypass which is one of the places I suggested in my mandatory reconsideration letter would be a good place to top myself. :eek: Yeah thanks a fucking lot for that doc. :facepalm::mad:
     
  30. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    They are without conscience.
     
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