Atlantic Road/Electric Avenue murder/stabbings 12-01-08

[hipipol]

The Johnny Too Bad wannabes are thick on the ground in the market
Not sure who said it but guess the posse came to see how he was gonna "deal" with the guys who'd dissed him
Its infantile, but deadly
tarannaus point about the group - the peer pressure to be hard - is the most likely driver for this sort of senseless bollocks.
early 20s? 15 years ago he may have been some eager little kid who noly wanted to be liked. Who knows, its just such fucking waste

 

[editor]

It wasn't the shopkeeper who was murdered. It was his cousin.

He was working there, no?

 

[Leon]

He was, but he wasn't, if you know what I mean.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

He was working there, no?

Sounds like he was helping them clear up although I get the impression that he helped out there

 

[zuszsa]

This whole thing makes me feel sick......like other posters I just can't get my head around the premeditated element of it all.

 

[colacubes]

Just got back from the shops and there seems to be a very quiet but tense atmosphere on Electric Avenue. Only about 4 market stalls in the whole street, very few shoppers, no music from the shops and quite a lot of police about (understandably).

 

[ramjamclub]

It's just depressing these "revenge attacks", for dissing a mindless moron.

 

[lizardqueen]

For anyone who's interested the market traders and local residents are gathering outside the stall where it happened at 6pm (i'll double check the time tonight!) on Saturday to pay their respects. I think it would be great if there was a big turnout.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=236485

 

[PacificOcean]

Fuck me, what has happened to the area where I grew up?

Brixton was always a bit on the rough side but now it has turned into gangland downtown LA like in the movies.

I despair for the area. It can only get worse.

 

[Dan U]

I despair for the area. It can only get worse.

if everyone thinks like that it certainly will

 

[richtea]

what dan u said.

Brixton was always a bit on the rough side but now it has turned into gangland downtown LA like in the movies.

hardly

 

[Dan U]

hardly

innit

it has it's issue's but crikey.

 

[editor]

I just walked past the scene now and it was a bit uplifting - if that's the word - to see the respect shown by passers by.

Far from being ignored, loads of people were stopping in front of the flowers, reading the notices and quietly giving their respects. I found it very moving. And I got angry.

I (very discreetly) took up a few pics - I'll post them later.

Oh, and PacificOcean: it's nothing like 'downtown LA' here. Not even close.

 

[PacificOcean]

OK, maybe I was being a tad over the top but I just worry when I read stories like this as my parents still live in the area.

While they are unlikey to be involved with a crack shooting (unless there is something they aren't telling me!) they may be walking past and caught up in it or attacked to pay for said crack.

They worried about me all their lives and now I am just worried for them.

 

[tarannau]

What the blinking hell has near hysterical mention of 'crack shootings' and 'downtown LA' got to do with this incident though.

As far as I know the Crips and the Bloods didn't fight their battles over unpaid for citrus fruits, nor did local greengrocers take the brunt of the violence.

It's fucking horrible for sure and these people were wankers, but it's far more likey to be petty score settling about 'respect' (pish) than symptomatic of some some gangland showdown.

 

[editor]

Some pics:

http://www.urban75.org/brixton/features/stabbing-atlantic-road.html

 

[PacificOcean]

What the blinking hell has near hysterical mention of 'crack shootings' and 'downtown LA' got to do with this incident though.

I take your point.

But when the lead story in my local paper is the cutting of hours in the local swimming pool and a story like this only makes page 9 of The South London Press - I just worry for my mum & dad.

 

[Orang Utan]

I take your point.

But when the lead story in my local paper is the cutting of hours in the local swimming pool and a story like this only makes page 9 of The South London Press - I just worry for my mum & dad.

it was on the front page

 

[PacificOcean]

Don't get me wrong, I love Brixton. It's where I grew up

Which is why it's decent makes me feel all the sadder.

Summer evenings playing at my mates on Water Lane. The Country Show at Brockwell Park before there were shootings. Funfairs on Clapham Common without the stabbings.

I don't know if I am looking at my youth through rose-tinted glasses, but it just seemed less 'violent' than now.

 

[Orang Utan]

I don't remember shootings at the Country Fair - it's still a great weekend

 

[tarannau]

I suspect you led a more sheltered life back then.

I reckon, personally, you'd have felt a lot less safe walking down the frontline than you do now. Not to mention the 7/11 that stood where Sainsburys is now, which felt as dangerous as the Mos Eisley cantina even to a supposedly savvy kid like me.

Brixton was certainly rougher for me as a kid. Much more racial tension until the riots, no go BNP favouring areas, areas where I wasn't black enough, much worse housing stock. Only a kind of bizarre 'Dunkirk spirit' mitigated the threat to a certain extent - we were all in the shit together and there seemed more of a community spirit.

 

[Chairman Meow]

I don't remember shootings at the Country Fair - it's still a great weekend

Tim Westwood was shot there a few years ago, IIRC.

Actually, on reflection, that sounds like bollocks.

 

[Orang Utan]

Tim Westwood was shot there a few years ago, IIRC.

Actually, on reflection, that sounds like bollocks.

It is!
He was shot at some junction when he was in his Jeep

 

[Chairman Meow]

It is!
He was shot at some junction when he was in his Jeep

Ah, but he was coming back from the County fair, wasn't he? Which I accept isn't quite the same thing.

Quote from bbc

Westwood had been travelling back from an event in Brockwell Park, south London, at the time

 

[Orang Utan]

Ah, but he was coming back from the County fair, wasn't he? Which I accept isn't quite the same thing.

I don't think so, but I'm happy to be corrected - I thought he'd been playing in a club in Streatham

 

[Chairman Meow]

BBC says Brocky Park though.

Anyway, don't want to derail.

 

[PacificOcean]

I suspect you led a more sheltered life back then.

I reckon, personally, you'd have felt a lot less safe walking down the frontline than you do now. Not to mention the 7/11 that stood where Sainsburys is now, which felt as dangerous as the Mos Eisley cantina even to a supposedly savvy kid like me.

Brixton was certainly rougher for me as a kid. Much more racial tension until the riots, no go BNP favouring areas, areas where I wasn't black enough, much worse housing stock. Only a kind of bizarre 'Dunkirk spirit' mitigated the threat to a certain extent - we were all in the shit together and there seemed more of a community spirit.

Being white, racism never crossed my mind as a kid. At school half the class was black and great friends. Growing up with that I don't see "black" people.

But I can see people from different generations have different viewpoints.

However, I think the "decline" of Brixton has more to do with thug mentality than colour. There are loads of white wanna be ganstas too.

This isn't a race issue, but more of a community one.

 

[Ms T]

I saw loads of bouquets tied to the post just by the shop yesterday. Made me a bit tearful.

 

[Principle]

I suspect you led a more sheltered life back then.

I reckon, personally, you'd have felt a lot less safe walking down the frontline than you do now. Not to mention the 7/11 that stood where Sainsburys is now, which felt as dangerous as the Mos Eisley cantina even to a supposedly savvy kid like me.

Brixton was certainly rougher for me as a kid. Much more racial tension until the riots, no go BNP favouring areas, areas where I wasn't black enough, much worse housing stock. Only a kind of bizarre 'Dunkirk spirit' mitigated the threat to a certain extent - we were all in the shit together and there seemed more of a community spirit.

I never lived in brixton durin the riots but my uncle and aunt did, from what i heard it was alot worse than it is now adays!

I used to do drugs my self - proud to say i have been clean for almost 2 years! But i was a familar face around brixton acre land coldharbour lane, i knew and still know a few men who worked on the front line, sounds crazy but even though i gave up the drug i have remained friends with many of the dealers, jarrasic park before it was converted into a "waterfall" lol i walked all around those areas at all times of the nights and thank god nothing awful happened to me, although my big cousin was jumped by a bunch of gurls at one point and some of the dealers, who we knew actually all jumped in and helped her out! was some physco bird called manchester who hung around with this butch lesbian who used to try perv all the girls up and try get them to go work! Just at new year i walked down coldharbour lane at 5am in the morning and it was practically dead not half as busy as it used to be as i can remember anyway actually i thought in my opinion brixton had calmed down a bit from what i remember, the shottings all up brixton, ppl getting jacked walking down the road broad day light! But hey i guess everyone has a different level of "whats ruff"


R.I.P to all those who have lost there life due to gun/knife crime!


Also Tim westwood was not shot, he was shot at!

Also i cant blame anyone wanting to shoot him - He's a pain in the ass! LOL