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Atheist morals vs. believer morals

nosos said:
Nonsensible fairies control people's thoughts
Nonsensible fairies don't control people's thoughts

Neither proposition is verifiable. Is the logical conclusion thus agnosticism?
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Agnostic definition from the free dictionary:

1a. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
1b. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
2. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

From the second definition, I'd definitely be non agnostic about the tooth fairy (although where DID all those teeth go????), but that would leave me agnostic about god.

I must admit i'm even agnostic about being agnostic since I do believe in an organising principle in the universe, depends on your definition whether you call that god.
 
Btw, Philosophy of History starts with Gianbatista Vico, a Theologian, who proposes such an attitude to "our world", saying something like "Yeah, really cool, this story of a Creator and all that, so whoever wanna believe in it is free to do so - and completely freely!!! - but can we now go back to OUR world and what WE DO in it/with it, please..." [Taking responsibility for our deeds, in other words, however uncomfortable it may at times be...:cool:]

I find that most courageous, you know... given his time and space...;) :)

Todays "believers" are sooooo much behind his time, when he was at the cutting edge... and sooo live in the past...:rolleyes: :D
 
From the second definition, I'd definitely be non agnostic about the tooth fairy (although where DID all those teeth go????), but that would leave me agnostic about god.
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Pour quoi?
 
gorski said:
Btw, Philosophy of History starts with Gianbatista Vico, a Theologian, who proposes such an attitude to "our world", saying something like "Yeah, really cool, this story of a Creator and all that, so whoever wanna believe in it is free to do so - and completely freely!!! - but can we now go back to OUR world and what WE DO in it/with it, please..." [Taking responsibility for our deeds, in other words, however uncomfortable it may at times be...:cool:
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Well he was somewhat ahead of his time. I naively thought dedivinization began with Georg, Freddy and Karl. :cool:
 
nosos said:
Pour quoi?
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Cos I do sort of believe in an Organising principle behind the universe. Even worse, I believe (as described in the book The Common Experience) that people can tap into it in some way and experience an overwhelming love and sense of unity. Not that I have, like, but others have and it doesn't strike me that they were lying.

Eta: still no answer to the question 'What does a non-Buddhist believe' from BM - clearly he's 'chewing cud' or still lying down in a dark room after outing himself as the OP. :)
 
gorski said:
The term is a dead giveaway: a-gnosis...:D :p :D Not knowable, indeed...:cool:
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Indeed! You believe that if we can't know something (from within our present situation) then it doesn't exist. The epistemic fallacy, as the critical realists like to say.
 
A "small":D jump to conclusions, I'm afraid, Nos;) - non sequitur!:cool: "Existence" or non-existence is not debated here!:)
 
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