At Least Scotland Never Qualified
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likesfish said:
thats twice now you have used that term you filthy cunt
i asked you before to qualify it and you fucked off - i'm asking you again
Now then likesfish you foetid miscarriage from a syphalictic whore - what exactly do you mean by 'porridge wog'
FridgeMagnet
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Porridge wogs? What? A little less of this shite if you please. (By "a little less", incidentally, I mean "none at all".)
vince noir
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I'm a Scot, I lived in London on and off for several years, I currently stay just north of the border and no more, most of my friends are English, I've had several English girlfriends, nothing against the English at all. And I've supported the England team in tourneys before, wanting the best for mates and the people I live and work alongside.
But this year I can't bring myself to do it.
Turning on the TV to watch the world cup, all you hear - all you hear, except when it is logistically impossible for the commentators to do otherwise - is England, England, England. Argentina play a blinder? That'll be a tricky tie for England. French perform poorly in their opening match? There but for the grace of God goes Sven. And soon as the pundits can get away with it - say, about three minutes after the final whistle - they stop even pretending to talk about the game they've just watched and turn to Crouch and co.
I pay my licence fee as well. So do about 13 million other non-England residents of the UK. And while obviously I'm quite happy for BBC and ITV's coverage to reflect the fact that one of the home nations is involved, I cannot fucking stand the arrogance of the assumption that every viewer is flying the St George's cross.
Some Scots say they don't support England because "If they win, it'll be like 1966, they'll never shut up about it". It's worse than that. They haven't won, and they still won't shut up about it.
I want to support England. Really, I do. It would piss off Alex Salmond if I did for a start. But not this year.
But this year I can't bring myself to do it.
Turning on the TV to watch the world cup, all you hear - all you hear, except when it is logistically impossible for the commentators to do otherwise - is England, England, England. Argentina play a blinder? That'll be a tricky tie for England. French perform poorly in their opening match? There but for the grace of God goes Sven. And soon as the pundits can get away with it - say, about three minutes after the final whistle - they stop even pretending to talk about the game they've just watched and turn to Crouch and co.
I pay my licence fee as well. So do about 13 million other non-England residents of the UK. And while obviously I'm quite happy for BBC and ITV's coverage to reflect the fact that one of the home nations is involved, I cannot fucking stand the arrogance of the assumption that every viewer is flying the St George's cross.
Some Scots say they don't support England because "If they win, it'll be like 1966, they'll never shut up about it". It's worse than that. They haven't won, and they still won't shut up about it.
I want to support England. Really, I do. It would piss off Alex Salmond if I did for a start. But not this year.
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
I was in a bar watching the Mexico v Angola match last night and there was a chap there wearing a Scotland shirt. I asked if he was Scottish. He didn't have the faintest idea what I was talking about and spent the next half-hour looking at the badge (Scottish Football Association) on the front of the shirt trying to work out what it meant.
Harold Hill
Jay Emm forgot his p/word
Juice Terry said:
Yes, yes and yes.
Honestly, the amount of twats north of the border who think their support makes the blindest bit of difference to most of us.
Ich bin ein Mod
does his make up in his room
Harold Hill said:
As opposed to the number of twats south of the border who seem to be doing a pretty good impression of it mattering far more than it should
Harold Hill
Jay Emm forgot his p/word
Ich bin ein Mod said:
Who? Alan Green and a few people on here? Big fucking deal.
William of Walworth said:
Donna Ferentes said:
Sorry to bump this old one, but I've been away since Friday, and this is nonsense. In what way was my first post in this thread 'behaving badly'?
It was a suggestion (actually a positively-focussed one
) -- to Lock and Light, who's thoughtful enough to think about it, that his fellow countrymens' ABE attitude does their reputation no favours. And L and L is by no means the worst ABE on here. Yet you distort that into me (and maybe one or two others??) 'lecturing other nationalities on how they behave'I wasn't even criticiseiing L and L particularly, he was very far from the worst.
Do you have any opinions about the ABE phenomenon Donna? Feel free to dispute it if you think I'm getting it wrong. but there are plenty of examples of ABE posts in the England v Trinidad thread, and a smaller number on the Sweden thread, which are the posts I'm and posters like JTG are responding to ... no doubt we swear a bit!!
but there's almost no-one fault free on that froint.Not 'justifying', not 'excusing', just .... saying.
Lock&Light said:
Fair enough
As I've often said, I'd never be so crass as to expect (or want
) Scots to support England!Just a little less ABE negativity would make a few of them look less embittered and carping. Plenty of Scottish posters who know enpough about football to actually analyse it, rather than just cherrypick omn here for England bashing points.
Although to be fair England deserve quite a bit of (football based!!) criticism at the moment.
Pete said:
Well you've been banned again ernesto, so no doubt that post was deliberately stupid, but the main critics of ABE mentaility here (me, JTG, a few others) have never expected, or wanted, Scottish or Welsh or Irish) posters to actively support England.
To do so would indeed be crass and stupid and offensive, but that's not what's been happening, unless criticising tthe more egrerious ABE attitudes is somehope interpreted as an attack on a nation or its people as a whole. I imagine, or at least hope, that there are plenty like L and L, getting on with enjoying the WC in a more positive spirit ...
William of Walworth said:
I do. I'm *always* ABE--its not just Scots, you know. Nor is it just Celts. I reckon almost every soccer fan in the world is ABE, and there are very good reasons for that. One is the unnattractive style of football that England play. Another is the fact that many of their fans are obnoxious, racist, drunken hooligans. Yet another is the hysterical triumphalism of the media whenever England do even a little bit well. I know that none of these are exclusive to England, but I do believe that all of them are more prominent in England than anywhere else. I've absolutely nothing against English people, some of my best friends etc., but I don't think the ABE tendency is as irrational as you suggest. Nor must we neglect the fact that it seems to annoy PK, which is always jolly good fun.
vince noir said:
I can understand what youl;re getting at, and it's a perfectly fair post, but a lot of it is a (fully justified) attack on large areas of the MEDIA COVERAGE.
Not expecting, or instructing
you to support England, but a fair amount of the faults surrounding England in this World Cup lies with media generated hype and overpromotion, which I agree with you about.Are you following other teams??
I'm still supporting the team though -- just with a fewer illusions/delusions than some.
phildwyer said:
Well if you must, you must. I'm not misunderstanding the nature of and (both historical and present-day) reasons for the ABE- mentality, just attacking the negaitve, carping, selectively blinkered perspective way that a lot of it manifests itself.
Bit in bold -- possibly a tad exaggerated.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
English people saying “After all, I’d support Scotland” isn’t really an equivalent argument. Scottish people – like peoples of many nations who were subject to (and of) the British empire, and/or live in the shadow of their larger and immediate neighbour – suffer from issues English people don’t. England has imposed an awful lot on its small neighbours over the centuries, and that contributes significantly to the modern (Scottish) collective psychology: In no small measure, they define themselves by their experience of England, whereas England really doesn’t. At all.
In short, we (England) have/do matter to them (Scotland) more than they matter to us so we can support them at little or absolutely zero emotional cost. The Scots, however, suffer from yer standard case of Small Nationitis.
shame, init.
In short, we (England) have/do matter to them (Scotland) more than they matter to us so we can support them at little or absolutely zero emotional cost. The Scots, however, suffer from yer standard case of Small Nationitis.
shame, init.
treefrog
Saddle up
Oh for fucks sake.
I'm supporting England this tournament. However, seeing as a lot of English fans seem to think that the best thing about England being in the World Cup (apart from being able to sing "Three Lions" more often) is to go on about shite Scottish people are for not supporting them that there seems no real point in going against the grain and supporting my adopted country, as nobody believes me anyway and will take the opportunity to remind me again that the Scottish Squad would have trouble playing their way out of a paper bag (fuck me, I had no idea!)
The only purpose that threads like this have is to make otherwise rational non-English England supporters change their minds and go out to buy Ecuador flags, as it proves that English fans don't want our support, they just want someone to take the piss out of.
How terribly grown up.
I'm supporting England this tournament. However, seeing as a lot of English fans seem to think that the best thing about England being in the World Cup (apart from being able to sing "Three Lions" more often) is to go on about shite Scottish people are for not supporting them that there seems no real point in going against the grain and supporting my adopted country, as nobody believes me anyway and will take the opportunity to remind me again that the Scottish Squad would have trouble playing their way out of a paper bag (fuck me, I had no idea!)
The only purpose that threads like this have is to make otherwise rational non-English England supporters change their minds and go out to buy Ecuador flags, as it proves that English fans don't want our support, they just want someone to take the piss out of.
How terribly grown up.
Don't really disagree with any of that LC, even if I have once opr twice been guilty of playing the 'I supported Scotland card' 
. I'd find it very weird though if there were any Scots actively supporting England, and I would certainly neither expect that nor want it.
My only point is how negative and embittered it makes some of them look, they could so easily make their point more incisively and intelligently and with better positive as well as negative focus .... some acknowledgement that (for eg) Joe Cole's goal last night wasn't just 'a fluke', in the Sweden game there was plenty legit to criticise the England performance about, without going all kneejerk and rubbishing selected aspects of it and without their refusing to listen to anything that doesn't show England in an unrelievedly negative light.
At the moment certain posts read like their authors aren't interested in any other nations, or any football, that aren't directly concerned with opposition to England. It amazes me that they're so happy on this forum to make such twats of themselves.
** largely composed of thoughtful posters who have certainly dished out plenty of criticism as well as praise of the England team's largely underwhelming performances
. I'd find it very weird though if there were any Scots actively supporting England, and I would certainly neither expect that nor want it.My only point is how negative and embittered it makes some of them look, they could so easily make their point more incisively and intelligently and with better positive as well as negative focus .... some acknowledgement that (for eg) Joe Cole's goal last night wasn't just 'a fluke', in the Sweden game there was plenty legit to criticise the England performance about, without going all kneejerk and rubbishing selected aspects of it and without their refusing to listen to anything that doesn't show England in an unrelievedly negative light.
At the moment certain posts read like their authors aren't interested in any other nations, or any football, that aren't directly concerned with opposition to England. It amazes me that they're so happy on this forum to make such twats of themselves.
** largely composed of thoughtful posters who have certainly dished out plenty of criticism as well as praise of the England team's largely underwhelming performances
treefrog said:
If you really have met some particularly stupid English fans who go on about Scotland's absence, then fair enough to think they're immature twats.
Posts by me and a few other regular Urbanites on England related threads have had a very different tenor though.
I'm amazed you're supporting England, it'd be wholly understandale if you weren't, but fair play for being objective.
Funnily enough some of us England fans are embarassed by other England 'fans' as well ...
But when it comes down to it
1. I'm English
2. I like the World Cup
3. I like football
(not necessarily in order of importance
)so it would seem a bit strange of me not to be supporting them.
I'm also enjoying and appreciating the football from some other teams in this contest
Chorlton said:
Piss poor Chorlton ...
Among the first first things a troilling windup merchant will oh so predictably do when confronted with some serious attempts to contradict them intelligently : accuse them of 'lacking a sense of humour' or having a malfunctioning irony meter
It's on the first two pages of the Trolls Manual that one, and I've been around long enough to recognise trolling when I see it.
2/10.
Off to the pub, Argentina vs Holland starts before too long
In any case, my post above was a response to treefrog's.
ummmm do you really think there is nothing slightly ironic about saying "if you really have met some particularly stupid English fans who go on about Scotland's absence, then fair enough to think they're immature twats." on a thread that begins: "At Least Scotland Never Qualified"..... no?
Now pay attention girls...
we are shite AND WE KNOW IT..
are we getting somewhere now?
your excuses for not winning it are already in stone,ROONEY WASNT FIT,but if he was fit then we would have won it.what balls..
all this talk of lampard of being one of the worlds best midfielders is total cack,if he is so good then why does beckham launch the long ball everytime?,where is all this great midfield play?,with argentina, thats where.
and as for us scots,we love when you lose and we will taunt you even more when you are kicked out of this cup too.
we are shite AND WE KNOW IT..
are we getting somewhere now?
your excuses for not winning it are already in stone,ROONEY WASNT FIT,but if he was fit then we would have won it.what balls..
all this talk of lampard of being one of the worlds best midfielders is total cack,if he is so good then why does beckham launch the long ball everytime?,where is all this great midfield play?,with argentina, thats where.
and as for us scots,we love when you lose and we will taunt you even more when you are kicked out of this cup too.
