Assassination of Tony Blair - morally justifiable?

[kerb]

Mr.Blair is a murderer. Which is why trial in the High Court/the International Criminal Court in the Hague would be healthy.

what are the odds of this ever happening? i agree that it is the way forward, and think that Cheney, Bush and Blair should spend the rest of their lives in jail.

but how likely would this be? impossible i reckon. we always see our "enemies" in prison or in hiding. what about those criminals in our own countries? seeing that happen would be a big step in sorting out many of the worlds problems.

so, whose gonna arrest tony blair?

Enough killing. Enough war. Enough assassination - wasn't Jean Charles de Menezes enough? Wasn't 7th July enough? Wasn't September 11th enough? Wasn't Iraq enough? Wasn't Afghanistan enough?

I don't want wars of terror, or wars on terror. I don't want assassination. I don't want murder.

The best road to peace from the British perspective is a non-violent uprising against the regime, the removal of New Labour, a General Election, a proper discussion of withdrawal of British troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, and a rapid exit from the 'war on terror' or, as it is being re-branded, 'the long war'.

damn straight

 

[MatthewCuffe]

The odds of it happening? Who knows. A year ago, far lower than now.

Things are drawing to a real crisis in the UK. The only way to solve that crisis is if Mr.Blair and New Labour disappear. What replaces them might not satisfy everyone, but - as we didn't sing in 1997 - things can only get better. We have not known tyranny like this in Britain for centuries.

Assassination is not the solution. We need to work on as many peaceful fronts as possible, co-ordinate our actions, focus them on finishing New Labour, and stop putting mental obstacles in place like what the point is or what the likelihood is.

Action action action!

 

[MatthewCuffe]

It is a shame that many of us have been so thought policed by this regime that we doubt the odds of changing it through our non-violent agency, and fear that it will murder us if we raise objections to it.

Is that a democracy?

Don't forget - your taxes pay the wages of the police force. I understand it cost something in the order of £7,500 to remove Mr.Haw's placards. There are people out there who have commited rapes and murders.

Is that sensible policing?

 

[siarc]

this shouldn't have been posted; the tone of imprecatory wish-fulfillment through violence is completely unedifying, whoever the subject of the thread may be

 

[likesfish]

couple of years he will be gone anyway
Anold frined has offered me the chance to go deer shooting he has wide selection ofhigh powered rifles
now all we need is a place to shoot from and some reliable intelligence
regimne change begins at home

 

[likesfish]

by the way I voted it would be morally wrong to murder him but funny as fuck
prepared to pay the blood price are we? cop this wanker
although I think the war was justifed saddam was'nt going to turn over a new leaf anytime soon this lot managed to completely fuck it up

 

[MatthewCuffe]

Mr.Blair is a criminal suspect and needs to be treated with the full force of British law.

We do not have a death penalty here. Or didn't, until Jean Charles de Menezes.

For those infants who delight in the idea of the assassination of Mr.Blair, bear in mind what life would be like in David Milliband's Britain after Mr.Blair's death - a death which would inevitably be turned into a martyrdom to the 'war on terror' cause.

Does not bear thinking about. An appearance by Mr.Blair in a court to answer charges of war crimes does - it's delicious.

 

[jay1978]

citizens arrest for blair!

 

[Greebozz]

by the way I voted it would be morally wrong to murder him but funny as fuck
prepared to pay the blood price are we? cop this wanker
although I think the war was justifed saddam was'nt going to turn over a new leaf anytime soon this lot managed to completely fuck it up

You and many other here are like spoiled little kids. There are many many countries around the world that if you were to post arguing in favor of the leader of the country be murdered, you would find yourself in a deep cellar with electrodes attached to your bollocks.

 

[MatthewCuffe]

Citizen's arrest for Mr.Blair? Hear hear!

My taxes pay his wages. I am not happy with the service.

 

[bluestreak]

i voted yes, because i'm voting according to the man's own morality - he believes in warfare as a way of getting what you want, and so has placed himself in a position where it would be acceptable.

personally i donh't believe that killing is the correct way forward though, but i'm a terrible hippy about these things.

 

[MatthewCuffe]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

 

[kerb]

You and many other here are like spoiled little kids. There are many many countries around the world that if you were to post arguing in favor of the leader of the country be murdered, you would find yourself in a deep cellar with electrodes attached to your bollocks.

Like America and Camp Delta??

guess thats just one of the benefits of living here then. from your post you make it sound that it is a bad thing to even debate about these things, whereas even though i voted yes, i voted from an Iraqi, Afghan, viewpoint, not from my own POV


wouldnt exactly cry over it either

 

[MatthewCuffe]

Debating these things is good. I suppose technically this whole thread is illegal under the proscriptions of the 'glorification of terrorism' law, another example of the absurd and idiotic repression commited by this regime.

I can see the headlines now: "Anarchist website promotes Blair assassination" etc. etc.

I disagree entirely with the espousal of assassination - however, I will defend absolutely the person's right to say it. I also have the right to say it is infantile nonsense. That is democracy in action: it is dialogue. Unfortunately Mr.Blair believes in monologue - he tells us what to do and we do it.

I demand my democracy back.

That means a non-violent uprising. I refuse to do what Mr.Blair tells me to. He is not my Prime Minister, never was, and never will be.

For me, Tony Blair is already dead. He is merely an image on a screen.

There is a chap out there called Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, and he masquerades as the British Prime Minister.

I owe him nothing. He owes me several years of lost earnings.

Also, according to Jenny Jones of the Green Party, it cost £28,000 to remove Mr.Haw's art collection.

Happy with your taxes being spent that way?

 

[Fez909]

I voted yes for the same reasons as others, morals.

Obviously morals are subjective and aren't always practical, but it could definitely justified morally.

I hope he doesn't get assassinated whilst Prime Minister, or even while he is involved in politics. If it should happen after that, *shrugs*. It's shaping up that he will 'get away' with the war, and it seems unjust that this is so. However, I'd rather not have more backward laws and more fear in the world, which this would undoubtably bring, than to see him taken out.

 

[Fong]

I voted yes for the same reasons as others, morals.

Obviously morals are subjective and aren't always practical, but it could definitely justified morally.

I hope he doesn't get assassinated whilst Prime Minister, or even while he is involved in politics. If it should happen after that, *shrugs*. It's shaping up that he will 'get away' with the war, and it seems unjust that this is so. However, I'd rather not have more backward laws and more fear in the world, which this would undoubtably bring, than to see him taken out.

Would depend on how many of them you took out with him, and how often you continued to do it.

If you took out Blair and then the next guy stood up and tried to be authoritarian and you took him out too, and the next guy, and the next guy, til they learnt that trying to rule with an iron fist results in little more then their own death, then perhaps things would change.

To BK the 'justice' system has failed, as there is little to no justice anymore in this country for the ruling elite.

You only have to look at the whitewash of the hutton report that has become such a farce that they auction it with signatures on it as a joke to raise money for their party, this is Akin to Hitler selling off the matches his party used to burn the Reichstag.

What happened to blair selling peerages for money? What happened to his party purposely giving away Hutton's name and creating a situation where a man committed suicide. What is happening to the lies we were told before the Iraq war that have time and again been proven to not only be lies, but to have been lies when he uttered them and he KNEW they were lies?

Where the fuck is our justice system now?

Fuck that, lets have a bit of real justice for the cunt, a swift bullet to the head.

 

[kyser_soze]

OK, personally I'm with the 'No' camp - even if Blair's assasination were to trip off some kind of revolution, ultimately any changes in society would be based on a process of conflict and violence which would mean that violence as a means to an end could and would be used in any future change...

Having said that...why bother discussing the 'morality' of such a thing? Given that we live in possibly the most amoral age ever, when not a single human institution OR individual can stand up and make a stand on moral behaviour without their own lax behaviour being revealed to the world and their authority being questioned by at least one section of people, the whole notion of morality becomes relative, and the question becomes one of results.

So the question should be 'Would it achieve anything?', which Phil has already answered with a 'No' - other than to make things worse in a surveillance-society direction.

 

[obanite]

I don't believe that discussing morality is redundant. Before you address practicalities and 'actions' on the world you have to consider the internalisation and value judgements made. What you 'think' is right and what you actually 'do' can be very different; that doesn't mean what you 'think' is irrelevant.

If that makes any sense...

 

[articul8]

some people on this thread are disposed to make the whole fact of war contingent on the character pathologies of one (or two) men.

Any PM would come under immense pressure to back whatever the US was doing, such are the economic/political/security etc. ties binding the British Foreign Office and the State Department. Think 'Dave' Cameron would have acted any different? Or Gordon? I doubt it, frankly.

 

[Yossarian]

Tony Blair getting his head blown off would be a fine excuse for a piss-up and that's justification enough for me.

 

[X-77]

Tony Blair getting his head blown off would be a fine excuse for a piss-up and that's justification enough for me.

and oh what a piss-up it would be..

 

[articul8]

you lot are so naive it scares me. An event like that would bring about possibly the biggest reactionary backlash seen in Britain for centuries.

You think civil liberties are being threatened now? You wouldn't have seen the half of it...

 

[Hanoipete]

Yes its justified as he is a sociopath who orders the killing of innocents.

It would be better if he were hung after a fair trial alongside the majority of his cabinet/advisors and certain members of the Labour Party.

Yes it is justified to kill elected leaders, absolutely. That's pretty obvious if you look at history, even the very recent history.

 

[Lock&Light]

you lot are so naive it scares me. An event like that would bring about possibly the biggest reactionary backlash seen in Britain for centuries.

You think civil liberties are being threatened now? You wouldn't have seen the half of it...

They would scare me too, if I thought that any of them had as much bottle as they lack sense.

 

[Greebozz]

Like America and Camp Delta??

guess thats just one of the benefits of living here then. from your post you make it sound that it is a bad thing to even debate about these things, whereas even though i voted yes, i voted from an Iraqi, Afghan, viewpoint, not from my own POV


wouldnt exactly cry over it either

This whole post is in very bad tast indeed.

I have a question . Which leader from any other country would you rather have instead of Blair. Who is doing such a better job?

 

[Barking_Mad]

They would scare me too, if I thought that any of them had as much bottle as they lack sense.

Coming from you that's really funny. Anymore hypocritical pieces of bullshit you'd like to share?

 

[kyser_soze]

whereas even though i voted yes, i voted from an Iraqi, Afghan, viewpoint, not from my own POV

You arrogant POS - 'I voted from an Iraqi, Afghan viewpoint, not from my own POV'

So you know the intimate thoughts of all those millions of people do you? And you think that you can speak for them?

One of the most insulting, ill thought out and idiotic, patronising neo-imperialist bits of twattery I've ever read on Urban.

 

[obanite]

This whole post is in very bad tast indeed.

I have a question . Which leader from any other country would you rather have instead of Blair. Who is doing such a better job?

War is very bad taste too. The killing of thousands of people to satisfy a political agenda of imperialism, pre-emptive interventionism and far-right hegemony leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. I would say anyone who refuses to invade another country based on flimsy and uncertain intelligence would get my vote over Blair...

 

[Kaka Tim]

This whole post is in very bad tast indeed.

I have a question . Which leader from any other country would you rather have instead of Blair. Who is doing such a better job?

Preferably none.

But the point is that if they knew they were in real danger of being offed they might be a bit less likely to fuck people over.

 

[Kaka Tim]

This whole post is in very bad tast indeed.

I have a question . Which leader from any other country would you rather have instead of Blair. Who is doing such a better job?

Prefeably none.

But the point is that if they knew they were in real danger of being offed they might be a bit less keen to fuck people over.

The rulers will go as far, and do as much as they are allowed to get away with.