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archibald leach
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size of pitch at Euro2004
Got any idea who decides on the size of the pitches at Euro 2004? Or are pitches a standard size during tournaments?
Got any idea who decides on the size of the pitches at Euro 2004? Or are pitches a standard size during tournaments?
The pitches will all conform to the elongated dimensions specifically set out for international matches in Law 1 - The Field of Play:
Length: minimum 100 m (110 yds), maximum 110 m (120 yds) Width: minimum 64 m (70 yds), maximum 75 m (80 yds)
I've bumped the thread I started a while ago about that MP who tabled a whingeing motion about David Pugh after Sunderland went out of the playoffs.
Because they're at it again, six of them this time, having a whinge yet again about something they know fuck-all about.
Because they're at it again, six of them this time, having a whinge yet again about something they know fuck-all about.
Give Andy Gray and the rest of the moaners a black top or whatever multicolour horror that they wear now and see how they cope.
Video replays would be awful, turn into a borefest like the NFL, the only thing I'd accept would be a sensor on the goaline which sets of a buzz on the referee when the ball crosses the line
Video replays would be awful, turn into a borefest like the NFL, the only thing I'd accept would be a sensor on the goaline which sets of a buzz on the referee when the ball crosses the line
Rodney Marsh did this a while ago for Soccer Saturday. He went and did a crash course on the LOAF, then he refereed Daily Mirror vs Sky Sports and Dermot Gallagher did an assessment on him.
First words out of his mouth after the feature ended? "I can't believe how much I learned." He's the only one I've got any time at all for because of that.
Re: sensors. There's one major problem with them: you can't set them up on the goal-line, because in order for a goal to be scored, the whole of the ball has to cross the whole of the line. They'd have to be set up X distance off the line so the barrier would only be broken if a ball went completely over the line.
First words out of his mouth after the feature ended? "I can't believe how much I learned." He's the only one I've got any time at all for because of that.
Re: sensors. There's one major problem with them: you can't set them up on the goal-line, because in order for a goal to be scored, the whole of the ball has to cross the whole of the line. They'd have to be set up X distance off the line so the barrier would only be broken if a ball went completely over the line.
I guess the ball would need sensors fitted to as I guess if its a standard sensor a player stepping behind the goal line would set it off creating all sorts of problems.
I picked up Collina and Ellerays' books last week, both are a good read, Collina is very philosophical and his love for the game is immense and Elleray is a very interesting man with 2 excellent jobs, before he retired
There was a quote from an un-named Senior Refereeing Official in 4-4-2 just before Euro 2004 saying 'The retirement age is a travesty, we're going to lose top referees to UEFA games soon like Pierluigi Collina and Urs Meier, I think the English FA should do all they can do get these guys refereeing over here in England'
Hmm, maybe not
I picked up Collina and Ellerays' books last week, both are a good read, Collina is very philosophical and his love for the game is immense and Elleray is a very interesting man with 2 excellent jobs, before he retired
There was a quote from an un-named Senior Refereeing Official in 4-4-2 just before Euro 2004 saying 'The retirement age is a travesty, we're going to lose top referees to UEFA games soon like Pierluigi Collina and Urs Meier, I think the English FA should do all they can do get these guys refereeing over here in England'
Hmm, maybe not
I haven't read Lord Elleray's book yet. One of those things I've been meaning to do for a while.
If you ask me (and you probably do, this being the "ask me stuff" thread), foreign referees are not a good idea. Young talent needs a chance to come up and test itself, quality will suffer, blah di blah.
If you ask me (and you probably do, this being the "ask me stuff" thread), foreign referees are not a good idea. Young talent needs a chance to come up and test itself, quality will suffer, blah di blah.
Maybe but if it came to accepting foreign referees as a concession to growing pressure for tv replays then you might be more willing.
I've seen Collina referee Serie A and he's not often that impressive, I think this tournament that Anders Frisk has been the better referee (him with the flowing locks)
I've seen Collina referee Serie A and he's not often that impressive, I think this tournament that Anders Frisk has been the better referee (him with the flowing locks)
Goalkeeper had the ball in both hands and then transferred it to the one to distribute it. As the law stands, Crosby is preventing the goalkeeper from distributing the ball and gets a yellow. I'm fairly sure the relevant part of the LOAF hasn't been changed since then: re-worded, possibly, but I'm fairly sure it maintains the same meaning. If you ask me, it was a severe mistake to let the goal stand, and I'd like to know who the referee was that allowed the goal.
Incidentally, while looking for him, I found this match report from March 2001 where someone tried to do something similar to Nicky Weaver and got cautioned by Steve Dunn for it.
My position on this is clear. If the goalkeeper holds the ball in both hands, he is entitled to hold it there for six seconds (or, at the time of that incident, take four steps with the ball in his hands) and then to throw it out or kick from his hands without being interfered with, see the Thierry Henry Incident vs Blackburn away. It's a fundamental principle of football that the keeper cannot be challenged while he's got the ball in his hands and under control, or is throwing or kicking from his hand. If you change that then you make it impossible for the keeper to be able to distribute the ball: he'd be mobbed as soon as he caught it.
Incidentally, while looking for him, I found this match report from March 2001 where someone tried to do something similar to Nicky Weaver and got cautioned by Steve Dunn for it.
My position on this is clear. If the goalkeeper holds the ball in both hands, he is entitled to hold it there for six seconds (or, at the time of that incident, take four steps with the ball in his hands) and then to throw it out or kick from his hands without being interfered with, see the Thierry Henry Incident vs Blackburn away. It's a fundamental principle of football that the keeper cannot be challenged while he's got the ball in his hands and under control, or is throwing or kicking from his hand. If you change that then you make it impossible for the keeper to be able to distribute the ball: he'd be mobbed as soon as he caught it.
archibald leach
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pitch size
Your answer to my pitch size question was a bit disappointing. Ok so you told me that the pitches can be extra large for internationals, but who actually decides on the actual size on the day? For example, as the home team would the Portuguese have arranged for especially wide pitches to allow more space for Ronaldo et al? Would this now be seen as a mistake due to their loss in the final? Sorry to be pedantic, but i think we should be told ...
Your answer to my pitch size question was a bit disappointing. Ok so you told me that the pitches can be extra large for internationals, but who actually decides on the actual size on the day? For example, as the home team would the Portuguese have arranged for especially wide pitches to allow more space for Ronaldo et al? Would this now be seen as a mistake due to their loss in the final? Sorry to be pedantic, but i think we should be told ...
Who decides the actual size? I don't know. It's nothing to do with the referee: all that concerns me is that the pitch meets the requirements of Law 1. I would imagine that it's mainly the responsibility of the stadium's ground staff: certainly, it's the groundsman I'm going to try and get hold of if the pitch isn't marked correctly.
Collina stunk in his last match. What a shame such a great referee was so poor in his last international...Discuss
Question for the ref about pitch size - have you ever read the book by the old ref Norman Burtenshaw who used to ref in 70's - he said he was reffing at Leeds in days of Revie (and all his dubious things) and the opposition asked him to measure pitch before a game. He refused but they 'insisted' and when he finally got a tape off the groundstaff the centre line was 5yds off centre - one half was ten yards longer than the other - he couldn't give a reason why anyone would do it. Strange one - he played the game & reported the discrepancy to the FA.
oddjob said:question for the ref: at what age are goalkeepers told they can use their hands to save a ball?
Um. Speaking with my goalkeeper's hat on, I was always aware that I could use my hands inside the penalty area from the age of six or so.
bigbry said:Question for the ref about pitch size - have you ever read the book by the old ref Norman Burtenshaw who used to ref in 70's - he said he was reffing at Leeds in days of Revie (and all his dubious things) and the opposition asked him to measure pitch before a game. He refused but they 'insisted' and when he finally got a tape off the groundstaff the centre line was 5yds off centre - one half was ten yards longer than the other - he couldn't give a reason why anyone would do it. Strange one - he played the game & reported the discrepancy to the FA.
Nope, not read that. His solution is a perfectly acceptable one: you tell the managers/captains/whoever's responsible for the team about what's wrong with the pitch (if of course it's not possible to rectify the problem), and if they're happy to play on it then you play and put in a report, and somebody gets their arse kicked: this can and does filter down from a County FA via a league to the team involved and thence to the groundsman of whichever park they play on.
Of course, if one team *isn't* happy to play, then you don't play. You also don't play if it's a problem with being able to *see* the lines.
Wowbagger said:Um. Speaking with my goalkeeper's hat on, I was always aware that I could use my hands inside the penalty area from the age of six or so.
so how old is david james?
Relahni said:Two questions - did you ever read You are the ref - I think it was in Shoot or Match? when you were younger.
It was in Shoot! and yes, I did read it. Used to do very well at it, too.
Hey, now you reminded me of something. In Match, they used to have this "your team" thing where you took control of a side and answered questions and rolled dice and stuff and then your team would play a top side depending on how well you did on the questions. One of the goalkeepers had my name. That ruled so much and sowed the seeds of my wanting to be a goalkeeper.
And - do you think Collina is past it? The last couple of times I've seen him ref - I think he hasn't been up to his usual standard.
Well, everyone's entitled to a duff game every now and again. He's retiring, so the point is kind of moot. I do think he could go on if he wanted to, though.
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