Ashton Court - Sunday cancelled!
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Callie said:no really, i dont know what you mean by that comment!
and yes I have missed you, theres no one else id rather blather with about things i know nothing about
You and him down the harbour side for kid carpet tommorow? (5.15)We shall be there, wouldn't say no to a pint and a natter...:
Crispy
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*waggles hand* nah, I think you have to pass pros and cons around the whole operation, for efficiency. The more you split a project up, the fewer opportunities you have to move spare resources around (money, time, skills, labour). eg. It woulud be silly to split up the wine, beer, cider and spirits bars, because they will have different profit margins and replicated tasks - far better to join them together as a single project and average things out. It also makes sense to consider the festival as a whole operation, able to distribute its excesses to meet its deficiencies.butchersapron said:
It's getting late, I've turned this post into some rant about division of labour. I need another glass of wine and some kittens.
butchersapron said:
Yeah, this was my point: Even if you sold cans three for £5, you would be at least doubling the purchase price, so you should make easily enough to pay staff, pay for fridges, bins full of ice, a tent, etc, and maybe some over.
But it would still be cheap enough not to p*ss off a lot of people, if combined with a policy of not letting people bring their own......
Giles..
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They couldn't bootleg their own festival Giles.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Crispy said:
Maybe, divving it up doesn't mean that each subdivison will be done right and become super-efficient. It just makes more fuck ups if you've got incompetents running it.
Gerry1time
Did a wee in Dirac's toilet
Callie said:i would have thought that them stopping byob and just having tents selling at extortionate prices was more about profit than limiting the amount people drink
Please read what i wrote just above, i promise you so much the booze thing wasn't about the money, really.
Someone selling booze at cost price is a good idea, but a big part of the risk of a festival is the alcohol license, under the new rules especially. One nominated person has to be personally responsible for alcohol on the site, and therefore all problems associated therewith.
Really, i'd heard that the new licensing laws were causing problems for events nowadays, but Ashton Court really opened my eyes to just what seems to happen to events now.
(and i also got the impression that at times they would have loved to have done as well as Reading or whatever, but stuck with ACF cos they loved it.)
Callie
Pivoting
why do you think that is Gerry1time?
are these laws new in this year? do you think they aim to shut down things like ACF or is all all just for the good of the punters and those that live near by (very upset by being kept awake for two nights per year)
st pauls carnivals going the same way isnt it?
are these laws new in this year? do you think they aim to shut down things like ACF or is all all just for the good of the punters and those that live near by (very upset by being kept awake for two nights per year)
st pauls carnivals going the same way isnt it?
butchersapron said:
I wasn't suggesting this. I just fail to understand why booze on site HAS to be sold at £3 + per drink, when it ought to be possible to sell cans for £2 and STILL make a decent margin, thereby keeping more of your prospective "punters" happy and yet having some control over amount sold, and who it is sold to.
Instead of outsourcing the beer tent to a local publican or whoever, who will undoubtedly charge as much as he can get away with, the organisers should keep control of this and keep the cost down while ensuring that whatever profit IS made goes to the festival's other costs, as opposed to into the pocket of the company or person you have outsourced the bar to.
Giles..
I run bars at a few not for profit events and involved (albeit on the fringes) of working at 2 community festivals locally. Running your own bar with 3 cans for a fiver from a bucket of ice sounds cool but it is unlikely to work.
I won't say theft per se, just "shrinkage" of the take and the stock.
I remember turning in my takings the first time I ran a remote bar like that and the organisers were amazed at the money. Cos I didn't give all my mates free drinks, guzzle them all myself or skim the till.
If you rent out stalls to publicans and brewery companies you get hard cash and it is up to them to make the money.
The stall holders moan the rent is too high and people bring their own drinks.
Festival goers moan the drinks are too dear at the stalls and swear to only ever bring their own. There is a happy medium to be found in theory.
I'm just back from a trip to Czech/Slovakia and I saw posters for festivals sponsored by Orange. So we can guess what to expect there in a few years time.
I won't say theft per se, just "shrinkage" of the take and the stock.
I remember turning in my takings the first time I ran a remote bar like that and the organisers were amazed at the money. Cos I didn't give all my mates free drinks, guzzle them all myself or skim the till.
If you rent out stalls to publicans and brewery companies you get hard cash and it is up to them to make the money.
The stall holders moan the rent is too high and people bring their own drinks.
Festival goers moan the drinks are too dear at the stalls and swear to only ever bring their own. There is a happy medium to be found in theory.
I'm just back from a trip to Czech/Slovakia and I saw posters for festivals sponsored by Orange. So we can guess what to expect there in a few years time.
Isambard said:
Well, if you don't trust most of your staff, do it like they do at "The Church": you have a big long bar with loads of drinks in ice-filled bins. To get drinks you buy a drinks ticket off one guy, then use this to actually get the drinks. You can also buy these drinks tickets in the queue to get in to the place.
This means that you only have to trust one or two senior peeps with the dosh, and it makes service pretty bloody fast as well.
Most of the staff actually handing out the drinks just take a drinks ticket in exchange for 3 cans or bottles of whatever, no chance of them nicking the dosh, pretty easy to see if they are givin em away free.
Also, I have done "bars" like this at some "unofficial" outdoor parties. If the people doing the bar are (a) your mates and (b) making money for the good of the system/rig who they are part of then you don't get much nicking.
Giles..
I've handled the cash at drinks-ticket events before as well and you are right it is a good system. I dunno if it work for the size of these festivals though.
I don't think there was much more that could have been done really, the police and the council decided to fuck it over and the committee despite their best intentions could not stop that.
I don't think there was much more that could have been done really, the police and the council decided to fuck it over and the committee despite their best intentions could not stop that.
