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I think it's just a cynical attempt to cash in on an unexpected success. It's been smartened and glossed up, moved to London and the protagonist is now a sexy woman. Quel surprise.

thats harsh. why not move it to london, its ten years later after all

i am worried its gonna be shit and i will be outed for only liking life on mars for mr john ronald simm :hmm:
 
I think it's just a cynical attempt to cash in on an unexpected success. It's been smartened and glossed up, moved to London and the protagonist is now a sexy woman. Quel surprise.

Yeah but it's a slick 80s parody so what can you do?
 
I think it's just a cynical attempt to cash in on an unexpected success. It's been smartened and glossed up, moved to London and the protagonist is now a sexy woman. Quel surprise.
Yeah, because the first series was so obscure and anti-populist.
 
Yeah, because the first series was so obscure and anti-populist.

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The biggest problem I had with it is the same problem that blighted the Pirates of the Caribbean sequels. Johnny Depp was a great, quirky supporting character in the first film, but second time around the writers knew he was the star and put him front and centre - and turned his character into a caricature. It's the same with Gene Hunt - literally his first line is the "armed bastards" one. And he was part of a double-act with Simm, and he was specifically a caricature of a 70s copper. He just doesn't work as well in this series.
 
It's the same with Gene Hunt - literally his first line is the "armed bastards" one. And he was part of a double-act with Simm, and he was specifically a caricature of a 70s copper.

It's odd to work out how to feel about Gene Hunt, though. On most levels he's a truly obnoxious piece of work, yet he also comes across as someone who it'd be quite entertaining to share a few pints down the pub with.
 
It's odd to work out how to feel about Gene Hunt, though. On most levels he's a truly obnoxious piece of work, yet he also comes across as someone who it'd be quite entertaining to share a few pints down the pub with.
Hmm, I've always thought the character is entertaining, but a genuinely horrible person. Particularly in light of the writers' comments that they deliberately toned down Hunt's racism after a readthrough (but happily left the homophobia intact...:rolleyes:) - smacks of whitewashing the past to me.
 
Hmm, I've always thought the character is entertaining, but a genuinely horrible person. Particularly in light of the writers' comments that they deliberately toned down Hunt's racism after a readthrough (but happily left the homophobia intact...:rolleyes:)
True enough - he's not meant to be a pleasant charecter, but he is witty and entertaining at times (in an ultra-sarcastic way). His one-liners are hard to resist laughing to, you must admit.
- smacks of whitewashing the past to me.
Not sure I'd go that far. I think there may be a case for saying it unintentionally whitewashes the present a bit (sort of "this is how it used to be. It's not like that anymore").
 
Hmm, I've always thought the character is entertaining, but a genuinely horrible person. Particularly in light of the writers' comments that they deliberately toned down Hunt's racism after a readthrough (but happily left the homophobia intact...) - smacks of whitewashing the past to me.

I <3 Gene Hunt. I know he's an ignorant bastard. But I don't care because he is, crucially, not real.
 
I hope they don't try too hard to make it similar to Life On Mars. I don't want another trapped in time, what's going on story - we've been there. I like the character of Gene Hunt, and want to see him on the rampage, cracking heads. That's all. My worry is that they've overthought it, and tried to come up with another bizarre time travelling scenario.

Who cares why we're suddenly in the eighties, and what happened to Sam Tyler. He's dead. Move on, Dorothys. I want the Gene Hunt show in all its un-PC glory.
 
well i liked it. i don't want alex and gene hunt to get all lovey though. it will work better if he hates her.

not sure about all the gunplay, though.:eek::D
 
That was pretty good. Lots of scene setting, but then again the first ep of Life On Mars felt similar.
I am going to give it a chance, just for the Quattro.
 
loved the quattro:cool: and the music took me back to my teen years:D and it wasn't too bad, i'm going to give it chance
 
I didn't like it anywhere near as much as life on mars. It was silly in parts and camped up situations that were tense in l.o.m. I'm going to keep going with it though cos it's unfair to slate it after one but I thought it was not in the same league.
 
Keely Hawes acted everybody else off the screen. The show was a bit short of locations and the time jokes are wearing a bit thin but Keely Hawes is so flippin beautiful I'm prepared to let that go.

Can't see them having enough for a second season though but its probably in pre-production as we speak.
 
like the computer jiggery pokery of Tower Bridge on to Millenium Millls :D

enjoyed it. wait and see how it develops between them all.
 
I wasn't blown away, sadly.

I'm going to reserve judgement for the moment. A few things worry me about the set up as it stands, but we'll see how it pans out.
 
I thought it was fantastic.
Already prefer it to Life on Mars, for some bizarre reason.
 
There was something a bit naff about it - I think it's partly the depiction of the 80s, partly the female lead, who I didn't find particularly engaging. Life On Mars took a very uncool decade and made it feel cool. This didn't feel like a cool show at all.

But, as I say....I'm doing my best to reserve judgement. Hopefully it'll all settle down once the individual episode stories (rather than the bigger story) start kicking in.
 
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