RushcroftRoader
Well-Known Member
phildwyer said:
why don't you guys fight it out in PMs?
ASBOs and the police + drugs update
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why don't you guys fight it out in PMs?
tarannau said:
'Paddick's policy', in fact an MPS trial which is now national policy, would absolutely deal with anyone selling any illicit drugs. It's only departure from previous procedures was not to arrest people for possession of canabiss, but rather to confiscate it and issue them with a warning.
Gixxer1000
cant wheelie a shaftie :(
What he said^RushcroftRoader said:
Yep, nice walking your kids past junkies shooting up into their dick in broad daylight or some punter screwing a prostitute
timothysutton1
Brixton resident.
RushcroftRoader said:
Couldn't put it better myself.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Indeed - an excellent post, RushcroftRoader!
dwyer said:
RushcroftRoader said:
Personally I think tarannau is speaking a lot more sense about Brixton, and he clearly has a lot more experience of the place than dwyer has.
This row between them is not 'equal fault'.
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But as for your other post, RR, I ENTIRELY see where you're coming from.
poster342002 said:
The trouble is, for all the emotive alarmist language, that argues against a position that nobody has taken- it's a big fat strawman of a post. Nobody has argued in support of 'crack dealers and gangs of intimidating youths,' nor suggested that folks can go on and shit on whatever doorstep they like. Even the example of the one person in the opening post, a desperate beggar and crack user, would not exactly fit into those two easily demonized groups.
Yes, I would believe that the majority of folks would certainly be against aggressive gangs and dealers. However, that isn't even close to logically mean that the majority of locals are that concerned about the 'skunk,skunk' crew, nor want to see ASBOs handed out insensitively, nor would support a massive police crackdown on soft drugs and those who happen to be 'loitering' in public spaces. It's one thing to be opposed to the degrading hard drugs trade, it's another to get a bee in your bonnet about people saying one word to you repeatedly.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
It's about what goes with it - an awful, seedy atmospheare which in turn attracts other trouble. I would also seriously doubt if that many people are happy to see the "skunkskunkskunk" lot remain, for those very reasons.tarannau said:
poster342002 said:
That's not backed up by the past or real evidence is it though? When the Frontline was in full swing it was full of people offering things (albeit the far more tuneful sounding 'sensi, sensi, sensimilia') in far more seedy, smoky environments, with no such real troubles seeming to occur as a result. Same goes for plenty of other dealing zones in Brixton and the South London area, many of which have been pushed off more residential areas into town centres.
I know it's your hobby horse Poster342002, but I simply don't believe you've got a sense of perspective or detachment on the issue - your rant about not being able to get 'near' to the bus-stops, laughed at by posters like Bluestreak, is evidence of that. Besides, I get the distinct feelign that you may feel threatened by these groups of guys even if they didn't say anything to you at all. What's the answer then? Move anyone away who happens to hang around public spaces because they 'intimidate' you by invading your personal space in some way. I don't think some folks like the street drinkers and others 'loitering' around the town centre spaces, but the reality is that many of those outside crave the open air, escape from home and social aspect of it all. Where can you keep moving them onto? Equally, you shouldn't confuse those making a quick opportunistic buck with the long term habits and degradation of hard drug users and sellers.
Again, I find myself wondering about the true motivation of those who want to see the streets of Brixton swept clean of dealers and other alleged "undesirables." I know that Rushcroft Roader is well-intentioned enough, but I don't think the same holds true of many people who get involved in these "campaigns." All too often they do so for reasons of naked self-interest, preferring their property values to the traditional character of the neighborhood. And in some cases they use their law'n'order hobbyhorse as a mask for very base motives indeed--racism not excluded.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
Well I'm in social housing but we are just expected to put up with shit because we're scum.
To be fair to RR, I don't think anyone would seriously posit that the 'traditional character of the neighborhood' (sic) really consisted of people jacking up in doorways and heroin addicts shitting on doorsteps. The landscape of smack and crack is different.
However, the area's always had a lively street culture, far more bustle on the streets and outside house-fronts, a healthy disregard for personal space - I vividly remember the enjoyable bundle of the busy market and pushing my way through the crowds as a kid, just as I remember the soundsystems out front of residential streets, barbecueing and playing tunes till the early hours. In sanitising that, a piece of Brixton has been lost, as has the togetherness of some of the community.
I'd also perhaps quibble with the perception that Rushcroft has got much dodgier in the past 18 months. I'd say it's been dodgy for umpteen years now and I suspect certain residents may just have reached their tipping point with the lack of progress made. I also think it was always a gamble to buy there with that in mind, you benefited from the comparatively lower property values in such a central location but the risk was that it was a noisy, high crime area. I don't know when RR bought his place, but it's perhaps a bit rich to complain that the investment didn't pay off as quickly as possible and the area hasn't improved 'as expected'. There were far quieter, less risky (and potentially not as profitable) streets nearby he could have moved to.
However, the area's always had a lively street culture, far more bustle on the streets and outside house-fronts, a healthy disregard for personal space - I vividly remember the enjoyable bundle of the busy market and pushing my way through the crowds as a kid, just as I remember the soundsystems out front of residential streets, barbecueing and playing tunes till the early hours. In sanitising that, a piece of Brixton has been lost, as has the togetherness of some of the community.
I'd also perhaps quibble with the perception that Rushcroft has got much dodgier in the past 18 months. I'd say it's been dodgy for umpteen years now and I suspect certain residents may just have reached their tipping point with the lack of progress made. I also think it was always a gamble to buy there with that in mind, you benefited from the comparatively lower property values in such a central location but the risk was that it was a noisy, high crime area. I don't know when RR bought his place, but it's perhaps a bit rich to complain that the investment didn't pay off as quickly as possible and the area hasn't improved 'as expected'. There were far quieter, less risky (and potentially not as profitable) streets nearby he could have moved to.
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Gixxer1000
cant wheelie a shaftie :(
What exactly are you saying?I hope you arent suggesting that the black community dont welcome law and order?phildwyer said:
I think that highlights a key part of the differing attitudes - there are very significant cultural diferences at work here. In Western Europe we tend to have a pretty strong feeling of "ownership" of our personal space and invasion makes us pretty wound-up pretty quickly. Likewise the quiet enjoyment of our gardens or back yards rather than communal enjoyment of a party somewhere nearby. And social gatherings in our houses, as opposed to on the steps.tarannau said:
All of these things vary significantly between cultures and, where there is a cutural mix, they all have the potential for causing friction and disagreement.
timothysutton1
Brixton resident.
Donna Ferentes said:
Love the new CD
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Donna Ferentes
jubliado
I don't believe her face quite fits me:
I lived in Oxford, she in Witney.
I lived in Oxford, she in Witney.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
DF! You've just made my tea go down the wrong way!
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
I aim to please
With ill-digested tea.
With ill-digested tea.
timothysutton1
Brixton resident.
Donna Ferentes said:
I'm sorry, you have it wrong
Stanford-in-the-Vale is where she's from
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
I am a Witney blanket,
Original and best;
You'll never get cold feet
With me across your chest!
I allus thought she lived in Witney
Original and best;
You'll never get cold feet
With me across your chest!
I allus thought she lived in Witney
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Is she really? Well, it could be worsetimothysutton1 said:
There's few from there can read, forget write verse.
