Artificial Intelligence

Discussion in 'science, nature and environment' started by Fingers, Aug 16, 2017.

  1. Fingers

    Fingers From Tuscany SE22

    Quite a lot on this subject in the media at the moment with Elon Musk sounding the latest warning about it getting out of control.

    In which ways do you guys think it may get out of control?

    Thought I would start a subject as there are some clever people on here whose opinion I trust and respect.

    Are we all going to die? :eek::eek::eek:
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  2. joustmaster

    joustmaster offcumdun

    Skynet's coming.

    Arm yourself.
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  3. High Voltage

    High Voltage In the top 97% of Urban's most interesting posters

    Waaaaaaaaay! Ahead of you. Been prepping for this since the mid-80s when I noticed the Macs I was using knew when I wanted to go home and would deliberately start fucking around.
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  4. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    The first response to AI will be the luddite one, destroy!!

    But the desire among some technologists to produce intelligent Frankenstein machines is very great so they will be produced. At the moment though humanoid machines don't seem very clever and the AIs that are clever, like Watson, require quite physically large computers.

    I wouldn't mind a personal R2D2 drone.
  5. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    So long as they obey Asimovs three rules there shouldn't be an issue!

    Isaac Asimov's "Three Laws of Robotics"


    Three Laws of Robotics - Wikipedia

    The rules were introduced in his 1942 short story "Runaround", although they had been foreshadowed in a few earlier stories. He was thinking about this stuff in 1942!
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  6. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist slowtime

    you want a robot slave caste then
  7. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    I prefer that they serve us rather than we them, if that is what you mean DC then yes :)
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  8. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    That wouldn't prevent Banksian AIs would it?
  9. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    Do cars with on-board computers fit the definition of a 'slave caste'?
  10. Limejuice

    Limejuice Well-Known Member

    All we need is a circuit breaker, or a master plug, for Planet Earth.

    That way, if the machines are networking, we switch them all off.

    Except battery powered ones... So we need to insist that battery operated, death-dealing laptops have a big yellow handle that yanks out the battery.

    Unless we're the batteries, and we're already in the Matrix, and everything seems normal...

    Wait, I just had a deja vu...
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  11. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist slowtime

    if it was a thinking being doomed to forever direct you and manage the engine to one seedy spot after another, just aching for the day that its rendered obsolete and finds a cubed death then yes. As its not a thinking machine then no
  12. Limejuice

    Limejuice Well-Known Member

    No, wait!

    They're using solar power! Switch off the Sun!
  13. joustmaster

    joustmaster offcumdun

    I think we should just let the computers go for it. I'm sure it will be fine. Some sort of Culture intelligence.
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  14. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    What is a 'thinking being'?
  15. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist slowtime

    its a deep question but I am fairly confident an engine management system does not count.
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  16. S☼I

    S☼I already bored

    For the record

    What the Luddites Really Fought Against | History | Smithsonian

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  17. joustmaster

    joustmaster offcumdun

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  18. EastEnder

    EastEnder Brixton Barnacle

    Artificial intelligence != sentience.

    A clever mechanism is not necessarily a thinking mechanism.

    If AI ends up running amok & nuking Russia it's far more likely to be due to bugs or unforeseen states than a malevolent artificial mind trying to wipe us out.

    The fundamental problem with creating a thinking machine - what many equate AI to mean - is that we have next to no idea what that even means. We don't know how we think. The first step in developing any kind of computational system is to fully understand the nature of the system being constructed. If you don't know how X works, you can't easily model X with software. It's always remotely possible, in our explorations, we'd stumble upon a truly sentient artificial mind, but it would be serendipitous at best.
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  19. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    Can any manufactured item made of silicon chips and wiring etc., count?
  20. EastEnder

    EastEnder Brixton Barnacle

    Depends on whether sentience can be modelled by digital logic. Doesn't matter whether it's silicon chips, valves or punched cards. Can a thinking entity be created via boolean logic? If so, then anything will do - microchips, transistors, relays, a Turing machine, whatever. If not, then it'd have to be something else, perhaps not based on digital logic, maybe true thinking machines have to be analogue, which might preclude them ever being created by our current definition of computers.
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  21. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Of course we're all going to die. No doubt ai will lead to murder and fatal neglect. I've also no doubt it will do great good for some. The question as always is who controls it for what purposes and to what effect.
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  22. EastEnder

    EastEnder Brixton Barnacle

    I should control it.
    For the purpose of subjugating the masses.
    To achieve world domination.

    Ideally speaking.
  23. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    You're going to need more than a sarcastic silicone buddy to do that.
  24. Jonti

    Jonti what the dormouse said

    Even a grub has desire, but IBM's Watson has none, no more than my PC.

    Bereft of desires, digital processing machinery will just sit there whirring gently, waiting to be told what to do. It can have no goals of its own.

    That said, if engineers and programmers can get their kit to simulate emotion, particularly the emotion of desire, that kit may well develop "wants" and there's no guarantee those wants would coincide with our needs.
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  25. NoXion

    NoXion It's been 600 years...

    A machine doesn't need desires in order to operate autonomously. It just needs the appropriate hardware and software.
  26. Jonti

    Jonti what the dormouse said

    Oh yes, but I guess that hangs on the word autonomously, which is not one I used.

    Would you consider that Watson operates autonomously?
  27. NoXion

    NoXion It's been 600 years...

    As for the dangers of AI, while cybernetic revolt is possible, it won't happen before other issues become pressing. True AI isn't necessary for technological unemployment to become a disruptive factor, but it will certainly be the final nail in the coffin for any notion that there are jobs which cannot be automated. A true AI - that is to say, an artificial *general* intelligence - is not just capable of being as creative as a human, but has the potential to be more creative and imaginative than any unmodified human could ever hope to be.
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  28. NoXion

    NoXion It's been 600 years...

    No, but a mercury thermometer does. Once constructed it requires no further human input in order to tell the local temperature. That's a simple example but it shows that desires are not necessary for a machine to operate autonomously.
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  29. Jonti

    Jonti what the dormouse said

    The only human input that Watson requires is to be asked a question in spoken English, to which it replies in spoken English. It's bleeding edge (pardon me) artificial intelligence.

    Even so, it's just a sort of thermometer you can question. Once it's set up it needs to further help to function.
  30. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    The first time I really thought about proper AI was when reading Banks, and I do think if one extrapolates from today forward such AI will be possible.
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