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Art that people rave about that's actually shit.

Discussion in 'photography, graphics & art' started by bubblesmcgrath, Sep 21, 2014.

  1. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    :confused:
     
  2. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    Photography is probably the only classical form that I could say that I participate in (visual anyway) and one thing I've started to appreciate is how badly a lot of people really need someone saying "yes that's all very pretty but you need to work out wtf it is you are doing and why". Drawing up some sort of statement or writing an essay explaining that is one way that people can get their thoughts together on the subject. A lot of photographers I know have come to the same conclusion, once they master the practical aspects, which doesn't take all that long if you're interested tbh.
     
  3. Dr_Herbz

    Dr_Herbz Devil's Advocate Banned

    I was bored...


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    Last edited: Oct 10, 2014
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  4. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    yes thanks for that
     
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  5. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    DrHerbz..I like what you've done above.
    :)
     
  6. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    Are you into film or digital or both? :)
     
  7. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    Both. It doesn't really affect the issue though.
     
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  8. Dr_Herbz

    Dr_Herbz Devil's Advocate Banned

    Cheers... took me fookin' ages to cut it out. :D
    I think I need glasses and a sharper Stanley knife :facepalm:
     
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  9. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    The golden eye works well :)
     
  10. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way


    you know, the thing about works like these...I just don't have a concept of what it is that the artist is actually doing to create them so I feel a bit lost trying to assess them...are they using a photograph/series of images they didn't create themselves? if not, how easy or difficult is it to create something that looks photorealistic using the tools available...?

    there was a poster here who was making a foray into digital art portraits. I think I prefer that more natural style, which ends up looking more like a painting, with imperfections and all the stuff that says something about the person who created it. Or digital art that is totally unique and is not relying on photorealism yet is creating a very palpable mood and setting which corresponds to their unique vision.

    technical skills are cool, but sometimes leave audiences cold...it's like FridgeMagnet said, an artist needs to have a good idea of what it is they're saying with a piece, and things like these sometimes seem like a great deal of technical skill with no soul or purpose other than to create a slick image.
    slick images have their place, but it's generally more for advertising and stuff like that..
     
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  11. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    And yet everything can be art.
     
  12. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    Not everything that "can be" is though.
     
  13. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. I look at the digital portrait of Hugh Laurie and see personality coming through.
    The second one has a definite sense of a commentary on broken people..broken lives..broken perfection. ..damaged yet still beautiful.


    Digital art is most definitely art :)
     
  14. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    Obviously.

    But not every digital image is digital art, is it?
     
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  15. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    Re skill. Yes digital art is very skillful. It can be a complete work created from scratch or it can be edited pieces. It is not always representational either.

    Personally my preferences within digital art would lean towards digital paintings. Which can be done in any number of styles or genres.

    Are we heading for a "digital photography" is not art moment? Or do you mean data imagery?
     
  16. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    I'm hoping that virtual reality will become the next big movement within the digital art world .....and indeed the world of modern art.
    So many experimental possibilities. So many sensory opportunities.
    The idea of full body emersion in a work of art is very appealing :)
     
  17. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    Whilst I'm not inclined to get into a discussion of "what is art?" there are many things that are patently not art. If only because their creators never intended them to be art. Some digital imagery will fall under that bracket as will some drawings, some applications of paint, some textiles, some ceramics etc.

    Of course there's a lot more to what makes something art than the intention behind its creation (or is there? ;)) but we don't need to have that fruitless discussion to accept that some stuff, uncontroversially, just isn't art.
     
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  18. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    Installation art you mean? ;)
     
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  19. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    Not the shit bricks on a floor type.....
    More the Benayouns type :)

    Or really..more the startrek enterprise holodeck type if I'm being honest :D
     
  20. moon

    moon Happy Happy Jo Wonderland

    Was that Vintage Paw ? She made some really cool stuff. I wish she would post more :)
     
  21. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    yup. I didn't want to embarrass her :)
     
  22. Vintage Paw

    Vintage Paw dead stare and computer glare

    :oops:

    My tablet is propped up at the side of the sofa where I sit with my laptop, whispering, "come on, use me, you know you want to" and I keep replying, "maybe tomorrow."

    I'm rubbish.
     
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  23. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

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  24. moon

    moon Happy Happy Jo Wonderland

    I just made this.. and I love it, it's just dylusions spray inks and acrylic ink, but the way the red ink zipped through the dylusions was awesome.
    Am supposed to be cutting this up for use in another picture but think I'll put it on my wall instead.
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  25. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

  26. Fez909

    Fez909 toilet expert

    I find digital paintings generally do nothing for me. I prefer artists who explore the technology itself and the art being emergent from the constraints and rules built into whatever platform they're working with. Like a guy who I found on Tumblr who writes programs that produce gifs.

    This:

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    Was created by this program:

    Code:
    v1[t_] :=
    {Cos[t], 0, Sin[t]}
    
    v2[t_, a_] :=
    1/Sqrt[1 + Sin[t]^2 Tan[a]^2] {-Sin[t], -Sin[t] Tan[a], Cos[t]}
    
    v3[t_, a_] :=
    1/Sqrt[1 + Sin[t]^2 Tan[a]^2] {-Sin[t]^2 Tan[a], 1, Cos[t] Sin[t] Tan[a]}
    
    P[t_, a_] :=
    {v3[t, a][[2]]/Tan[a] - v3[t, a][[1]], 0, -v3[t, a][[3]]/2}
    
    Q[t_, a_] :=
    {v3[t, a][[2]]/Tan[a], v3[t, a][[2]], v3[t, a][[3]]/2}
    
    vertices[t_, a_, A_, B_, C_, D_] :=
    {P[t, a] - A*Sqrt[2]/2 v1[t],
      P[t, a] + B*Sqrt[2]/2 v1[t],
      Q[t, a] - C*Sqrt[2]/2 v2[t, a],
      Q[t, a] + D*Sqrt[2]/2 v2[t, a]}
    
    Tetrahedron[T_, t_, a_, o_, A_, B_, C_, D_] :=
    Table[
      {FaceForm[White], Opacity[o], EdgeForm[Thick],
       Polygon[
    	Table[
    	 T[vertices[t, a, A, B, C, D][[1 + Mod[i + j, 4]]]], {i, 1, 3, 1}]]},
      {j, 0, 3, 1}]
    
    Kaleidocycle[t_, n_, o_, R_, A_, B_, C1_, D1_, x_, y_, z_, S_] :=
    Translate[
      Scale[
       Rotate[
    	Table[
    	 Rotate[
    	  Table[
    	   Tetrahedron[T, t, 2 Pi/n, o, A/Tan[2 Pi/n], B* A/Tan[2 Pi/n],
    		C1/Tan[2 Pi/n], D1*C1/Tan[2 Pi/n]],
    	   {T, {TransformationFunction[IdentityMatrix[4]],
    		 ReflectionTransform[{-Sin[2 Pi/n], Cos[2 Pi/n], 0}]}}],
    	  r*4 Pi/n, {0, 0, 1}],
    	 {r, 0, n - 1, 1}],
    	R*Sin[t], {0, 1, 0}],
       S],
      {x, y, z}]
    
    rr[q_] := (SeedRandom[q]; RandomReal[])
    
    K[t_, pr_, Q_, w_] :=
    Graphics3D[
      Table[
       Kaleidocycle[t + 2 Pi*rr[w*q], 5 + 2 Floor[10 rr[2 w*q]], 1, 0,
    	1.5, 1, 1.5, 1, 1.2 pr*rr[3 w*q], 1.2*6/5 pr*rr[4 w*q],
    	10 pr*(1 rr[5 w*q] - 1), 1],
       {q, 1, Q, 1}],
      PlotRange -> {{0, pr}, {0, 6/5 pr}, {-10 pr, 10 pr}},
      ImageSize -> 500, Axes -> False, Boxed -> False,
      Lighting -> "Neutral", ViewPoint -> {0, 0, Infinity} ,
      Background -> White ]
    
    Manipulate[
    K[t, 15.5, 18, 5],
    {t, 0, 2Pi}]
    And while I'm sure he has some idea on how it will come about, I bet there's a lot of experimentation and unexpected results which produce images he would never have imagined.

    This is also a great piece of digital art, IMO:



    He took a video of himself and uploaded it to YouTube. Then after YouTube compressed it (adding artefacts, and losing definition), he downloaded it and re-uploaded it again, adding more compression and artefacts. After 1000 uploads and downloads, you're left with the above. It was inspired by this awesome work on resonance:

     
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  27. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    Nice post Fez909..

    I'd add to it that the programmers who write software to enable all digital art are deserving of recognition...
    They are creators of a new medium where code is the brush and software the canvas.
     
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  28. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Somewhere under the raincloud

    Because it's not abstract?
     

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