Art that people rave about that's actually shit.

Discussion in 'photography, graphics & art' started by bubblesmcgrath, Sep 21, 2014.

  1. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    I think that's true in some ways but not in others. Teachers at art schools don't do much in the way of teaching technique anymore...as in, "this is how you do scenery..." (a la Bob Ross - that sort of direct style: copy what I do) but they do give you the tools you need to find your own style and improve your technique from teaching you how to work with the materials, how to create a great composition, how to look at your own work critically, and so on.
    I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing.
    If you want to learn how to paint in a very specific style, and you're not really interested in anything else, perhaps finding a mentor is the way to go instead of going through art school.
     
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  2. moon

    moon Happy Happy Jo Wonderland

    I like drawing when I have a burning desire to get something out of me, a visual etc etc.
    But I do not like just drawing 'stuff' because it is there and you have to practice.
    I guess I need to be more disciplined and hopefully I will be... in time ;)
     
  3. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    I went to art school and managed to make a profit doing art. My art school didn't really teach much about professional practice. We got virtually nothing about working with a gallery or even putting together a professional level portfolio. I only learned that by going out and doing it and sometimes doing it wrong. We also only got a foundation in technique. It was really heavy on theory and that's good if you're going to go and try to do "high art". Perhaps I just went to a crappy art school (entirely possible), but I walked away a little bit damaged by the experience.
     
  4. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    sorry to hear that yw, can i ask how long ago this was? professional context and practice is something they've been driving into us from the very start of my degree (even on the not-so-shit-hot-course)
     
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  5. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    Ok, showing my age here, but it was the early to mid-80s.
     
  6. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    i'm the last person to defend tuition fees but ime the expectations of kids who are signing up for a lifetime's debt are quite stringent in terms of what they're getting out of a course.

    (i think you're us? so the fee thing may not hold for your experience tbf... )
     
  7. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    I cannot agree with this more! Life drawing is so very helpful. You want to start out with a good instructor who will teach you the basics, and then after a while you can just start going to the ones where there is no real "instructor" and you just work on your own objectives.
    I need to start going to life drawing sessions again, after I move. I like to go with watercolors and ink & stuff. More fun that way :)
     
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  8. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    i have a tutor who's always pushing me to draw :mad: she's fab and all but i see it as my mission this year to produce some awesome finished work without a single drawing in sight :D
     
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  9. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    I was a scholarship student at a mid-western land-grant school so my choices were pretty much "take it or leave it." Someone who went to the Art Institute of Chicago would probably have an entirely different opinion.
     
  10. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    That's great, wayward bob!
     
  11. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    from what I know art schools here are becoming more focused on all of that which wayward bob mentioned. I know a 19 yr old who is going to the same art school that I went to, and they seem much more results driven. Along with the new regulations coming from outside, I think this also may have to do with most art schools having graphic design departments which are far more business-focused, and it's bled into the other departments as well. Just my theory, though.
     
  12. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    tbf my current plan is to make a machine that will draw for me :cool::D
     
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  13. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    That sounds promising. :)
     
  14. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

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  15. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    yup, like that, but with crystal balls :thumbs ::D
     
  16. moon

    moon Happy Happy Jo Wonderland

    you may want to look at plotters that can capture a scene then draw it... my silhouette cameo can do this.. :)
    Also the robot artist Paul seems to do this too
     
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  17. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    heh :cool: but not quite what i'm after. my plan is basically a completely analogue "laser cutter" (in effect it will only etch not cut cos i live in wales not egypt :mad:) no motors or anything, possibly clockwork...
     
  18. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    fwiw, bob, I hope you don't mind me saying so publicly, I really like your drawings...I know it's the actual process you don't like, but still, they have stuck in my mind. :)
     
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  19. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    i hate you saying it :mad::hmm: ta :D
     
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  20. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    well, you never know! :D
     
  21. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    I love that Urban's become so arty lately :thumbs: :)


    maybe it's that we're all getting older so seeking out safer, less energy expending pursuits than drugs, raving, etc. :hmm::D
     
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  22. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    i do think it's a kind of initiation rite - the whole mark-making/life drawing thing - i can see why, but at the same time i can see equally good reasons why not. my experience with all of this stuff is that talking the talk really does matter, because if you can do that - and by that i literally just mean explain yourself genuinely, rather than making excuses - then they let you do whatever the hell you want. ime, at least :thumbs :
     
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  23. moon

    moon Happy Happy Jo Wonderland

    Yes, I got fed up of being out all night doing visuals at clubs and needed another creative outlet...
     
  24. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    I gotta get off this thread and back to work, really :facepalm: but in hindsight, I have to say that was the most valuable part of art school and design school. Learning how to talk about your work means learning how to analyze it and to see it from outside of your own experience with it. It teaches you not just to see it in terms of your own experience, but that of others as well.
    It teaches how to analyze your own processes and your own shortcomings and strengths.

    I think this, perhaps more than anything, prepares one for a career in art, or in many other professional areas. Being able to assess your own work and see the value of it is a really, really valuable skill.
     
  25. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    Yes.
     
  26. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    Well, that's what they told me to say, anyway. :D

    (just kidding!)
     
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  27. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    On the off chance anyone didn't know .... This artist was shortlisted for the Turner Prize.
     
  28. cesare

    cesare don't mourn, organise!

    I wonder whether people separate Roger Dean's art from their view of the music he designed the cover art for. Same with the gaming art work as well I guess.
     
  29. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    Possibly because the Turner prize judges are looking at modern art as purely and exclusively conceptual....as in conceptualism.

    Here's some more excellent digital art ..
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    Was just interested in your art.


    No...it boiled down to a lack of joined up thinking...and a lack of cooperation between departments....and an over competitiveness between departments...and there was an element of "fashion a step above graphics"..
    Thevgraphics dept had a programming option, staff...etc.
    It probably doesn't matter now.....I used it as an example of how things can go one way or the other depending on the attitudes of those in charge.
     
  30. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    It made the shortlist. :)

    As for digital stuff, it's a medium rather than a genre.
     

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