Art that people rave about that's actually shit.

Discussion in 'photography, graphics & art' started by bubblesmcgrath, Sep 21, 2014.

  1. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    there was one guy in my freshman year...he was actually really amusing, but he used to go on these rants about how all art these days was bs, and how surrealism was the only true art form left. I was like "mmm...okay....? :hmm::confused::D "
     
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  2. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    There's a temptation in some digital art towards romanticism. That kind of romanticism hasn't been in fashion in the art world for at least a century. I'm not suggesting that its all unicorns and rainbows, but just because you can doesn't mean you should.

    (Flaming to commence in 5, 4, 3....:D)
     
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  3. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    You might have a point. Often frustrated artists blame the system instead of their own failings.

    However, I still maintain that there are some mediums that have more acceptance than others in galleries. Ask a gallery director about art quilts and see where that goes. Fabric gets very little respect as a medium despite the fact it can be used in ways much the same as traditional mediums.
     
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  4. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    Thing is they're often very large (quilts/ wall hangings)! I don't have much experience w/ that...we had some great fabric/ quilting artists in our community that got displayed a lot, but I think the community was probably more suited to that than others (New Englandy/ touristy, antique-y) so it worked there.
    Fabric art is awesome though! Those were always some of my favorite shows while I was a student, and I loved to see what the textile dept. students were doing
     
  5. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    I knew students who were literally turned away at art college who were ahead of the game with software programming and wanted to use their knowledge to produce art...this was years ago of course and it took off elsewhere since. ..but art colleges in Ireland interviewing for places at the time were not interested in the world of programming. It was outside their remit in their eyes ..
    I guess I'm a bit old fashioned. I liked the idea that art and science ....were connected.
    I look at The Turner art competition this year and wonder wtf a video of an anal sphincter tightening as it encounters a flower has to do with all the things art used to mean ...
    It's not aesthetically pleasing...it's not something I personally view as innovative. .... and I'm sick of the "you don't understand conceptual art" line.

    And youhave been personalising the thread and throwing accusations around...Something that was not needed.
    Why not start your own thread on art?
    And post some of your own work?
     
  6. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    Why doesn't art like this win the Turner Prize?

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  7. chilango

    chilango *shrugs*

    Hmmmm? Well?

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  8. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    https://ndpr.nd.edu/news/23535-philosophy-and-conceptual-art/

    A review by Robert Yanal of "Philosophy and Conceptual Art ", Goldie and Shellekens, (eds.).

    This is a review of a book which outlines, discusses and debates a collection of essays that look at conceptualism in art .. many of these essays (papers) having been presented at a conference in King's College, London.

    Worth a read...:)
    Experts describe their understanding of the meaning and characteristics of conceptualism ...
     
  9. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    tits win prizes
     
  10. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    strand poly more famous for its collection of military archivesthan its art critics
     
  11. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

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  12. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

  13. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    things are definitely changing - there's a very strong emphasis on emerging technologies these days ime.
     
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  14. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    beauty, as i think you said above, in the eye of the beholder.
     
  15. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    thought this thread might enjoy this. this term they're getting us to work harder on 'contextualising' our work and our practice, and talking about it. one of the questions was how do we identify - as artists/craftspeople/designers/whatever - and i chose "artisan" as a place somewhere between art and craft. i shall soon be branching out into unpasteurised cheese, sourdough bread and real ale :thumbs :
     
  16. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    And get you out of speeding tickets.
     
  17. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    "Leave that one, Bobby. I kinda like it."
     
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  18. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way


    cool story.

    I've really liked a lot of the contributions to this thread, and I think there's been some great discussion in spite of the antagonistic theme, so no need to start a new one.

    not sure what my own artwork has to do with anything. my own artwork is rarely conceptual. doesn't mean I can't appreciate many different forms of art.
     
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  19. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    also, it might very well have been because there would be no one there to instruct them (the students using programming to produce art)...you can't really accept students to a program which doesn't exist.
     
  20. moon

    moon Happy Happy Jo Wonderland

    Why Art School is a Waste of Money
     
  21. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    tell me it somehow gets better informed or more coherent after the first 2 1/2 minutes... he's a practising artist who makes some kind of living out of it, right? :hmm:
     
  22. moon

    moon Happy Happy Jo Wonderland

    No, he basically says that animation is the only thing you should study at art school
     
  23. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    well i'll take the value of his comments at face value then and save myself half an hour of my life :thumbs : i have homework to be getting on with :D
     
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  24. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i'm not sure that's the way things are done.
     
  25. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    eh? i thought you were eyerolling my atrocious writing, but i have a get out i'm an artist artisan :p
     
  26. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    I have to agree and I was willing to accept his premise. Art school certainly isn't for everyone. Anyone who want to paint in realist styles shouldn't bother with more than the foundation courses. Instead they should take courses from artists they respect and just work, work, work.
     
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  27. moon

    moon Happy Happy Jo Wonderland

    I've just signed up for a new online class on drawing faces from different angles and expressions.. hoping it will be fun and informative.. but someone told me that going to life drawing classes was one of the best ways to accelerate learning etc..
     
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  28. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    i can't speak for fine art but certainly as far as my course is concerned they teach us a whole *load* of stuff about professional practice, alongside really challenging theoretical work (which definitely applies to fine art) as well. i really do wonder how many people who have an opinion on the usefulness or otherwise of art school actually have any first-hand experience to draw on (lol).
     
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  29. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    i have a love/hate relationship with drawing and life drawing in particular. in general i don't draw, because i don't particularly enjoy it. but imafo (in my arty-farty opinion ;)) there's (usually) a visible, qualitative difference between drawings that are underpinned by that experience/skill and those that aren't. while there's a place for both i think there's something about starting at the root - with observation of real life and translation of that into marks on a page - that just shows in the finished work.
     
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  30. wayward bob

    wayward bob i ate all your bees

    ... counts to 3 waiting for someone to post tracey emin's drawings...
     

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