Argggh!!! - Who will speak out against the bankers?
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I know Im much of a muchness here, and my whinge isnt against U75ers. I only wish my analysis was widely shared. My whinge is that a solid critique of the monetary system is utterly lacking in the mainstream / establishment press.
They might act like it has fucked up a bit, but hey - its the only game in town so keep your head down and keep getting ripped off.
It is in no way arrogant to think we are being scewed over and the meeja are generally complicit in their silence. Its a statement of fairly obvious fact.
Yeah, we're being shafted by money
- juggling parasites and their propaganda machine. It is unfortunate that their thievery has become an accepted part of everyday banking practise, which is documented here.
It all went relatively unnoticed while natural resources were easily available, to produce the continued growth that this scam required. Peak oil (and peak everything else) are not unexpected surprises: the juggler-parasites knew that the illusion would be impossible to maintain once the stream of effectively "free" resources started to dry up, so they started blowing bubbles: Dot Com, property and dodgy "the hand is quicker than the eye" investment products.
Related to this are all kinds of ludicrous notions they peddled as "facts", like growth can go on for ever. Such absurd theories might give economists and bankers a wankfest, but reality is the ultimate arbiter: we live on a planet of finite resources. It seems utterly incredible that these people had no idea of limits to growth: fundamental physical laws, like conservation of mass and conservation of energy. Maybe they are religious fuckwits who believe that god will wave his magic todger and the gravy train will carry on indefinitely?
Meanwhile, all the incompetent, overpaid, overweight tossers whining and bleating about how they "never imagined this could happen" and asking for big wads of our cash to bale out their dodgy pyramid-schemes should be sacked for gross incompetence. (and subsequently dragged around the streets by the ankle to be pelted with rocks and dogshit by the folk they've ripped off)
The running of the country and economy should then be entrusted to engineers and scientists, who appreciate the importance of dealing with reality. Their objective should be simple: to maximise sustainable quality of life for the people.
We need a system with integrity, accountability and no bullshit. No more fuckwit politicians running the world according to their spurious notions and the whims of their puppeteers; no more bullshit, no more money-juggling parasites - just optimized, quantifiable progress and justice.
Sadly, I don't expect this to happen.
Not yet..
Maybe next year?
taffboy gwyrdd
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tarranau
"the self aggrandising belief that you've got something new to add"
There's nothing much Im adding beyond stating what has happened.
"mistaking your hysterical, unsourced 'conclusions' as truth. The OP of this thread's a prime example - a load of evidence-light alarmist sounding bibble with a breathtakingly oversimplified bent and lots of grandiose sounding talk of 'we' and 'them'."
In short Taffboy, you're all mouth and no trousers. It'd be nice to see some substance behind your posts rather than generalised, self-deluding waffle..."
Well I have sourced quite a lot of what Ive said.
But here's another one I quite like
A major banker at Goldman Sachs went on to preside over specifically unscrutinised distribution of trillions of dollars to major banks.
Facts like these are easily checked and do not imply self agrandaisement on those who find them disturbing. Such substance has been put on this thread.
As for "alarmist" - I find the idea of future debt slavery built on the backs of grand scale fraud to be quite alarming. I expect people will find it alarming when their pensions are worth knacker all compared to the amount they've been coughing up to financeers for decades. There's plenty more alarming to come out about how the elite have been behaving, and probably lots more we'll never found out. Why be alarmist when the truth is alarming enough?
"the self aggrandising belief that you've got something new to add"
There's nothing much Im adding beyond stating what has happened.
"mistaking your hysterical, unsourced 'conclusions' as truth. The OP of this thread's a prime example - a load of evidence-light alarmist sounding bibble with a breathtakingly oversimplified bent and lots of grandiose sounding talk of 'we' and 'them'."
In short Taffboy, you're all mouth and no trousers. It'd be nice to see some substance behind your posts rather than generalised, self-deluding waffle..."
Well I have sourced quite a lot of what Ive said.
But here's another one I quite like
A major banker at Goldman Sachs went on to preside over specifically unscrutinised distribution of trillions of dollars to major banks.
Facts like these are easily checked and do not imply self agrandaisement on those who find them disturbing. Such substance has been put on this thread.
As for "alarmist" - I find the idea of future debt slavery built on the backs of grand scale fraud to be quite alarming. I expect people will find it alarming when their pensions are worth knacker all compared to the amount they've been coughing up to financeers for decades. There's plenty more alarming to come out about how the elite have been behaving, and probably lots more we'll never found out. Why be alarmist when the truth is alarming enough?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Of course the media are complicit, it's hardly in their interest not to be, given that to a greater or lesser degree they're part of the establishment that perpetuates "robber baron" capitalism.
The problem with disseminating a "solid critique of the monetary system" that is relevant to as broad a range of people as possible (because there's little point preaching to the converted) is that there's no (to repeat myself) coherent voice as yet, because at the moment we have loads of disparate critics all wanting to put their own partisan spin on the issue.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
One day people will treat youtube like they treat the newspapers now.
"Pah? You believe that agenda driven made up nonsense? You fucking sheeple".
"Pah? You believe that agenda driven made up nonsense? You fucking sheeple".
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
One of Irelands Green ministers has called for the government to sack leading bankers as part of recapitalisation. No link yet, but lets hope its the start of something.
At the top of this thread I said that socialists, anarchists and greens etc. need to be heard. So coherency is indeed what we should seek which is actually what I mostly hoped to achieve from the thread. It is still possible despite the amount of timewasting on people saying it is arrogant or tinfoil hat to say we are being scammed and lied to when we most evidently are.
taffboy gwyrdd
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Yep, but old Taffboy is a tin foil hatter in the main. Most people disown his support, not encourage it - it just tends to add to the desperate paucity of your arguments. You'll be calling upon Jazz for medical advice next
Nice jokes again btw. You're on cracking form there Brassic, particularly the 'see santa saw' line. Perhaps you can channel your humorous energies into attempting to string a coherent sentence together. Just for Christmas like.
ah yes the dullard that is taran nanu nanu well when you can make an arguement of your own instaed defedning the exclusion of the term 'bankers' just to keep a few people with nurotic persecution complexs happy oh and crap attempts at flaming then maybe other poster might think more of you as opposed to being just a tag along merchant still there are so many carcasess searchin for souls on this website keep it up or not as is the case
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Don't mess around with usernames please.
well you support it as you support the bbc licence fee so yet more hypocracsy from vp
taffboy gwyrdd
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Sound advice.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
As predicted by anyone who has a vague understanding of the issues: The banks are likely to come back asking for more of our money very soon.
They aint lending as much out as the govt hoped.
But they do have a message for the beloved untermen...er..public:
Thanks suckers, and keep the loot comming. Call it "socialism" if it makes you feel better. Muppets.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/t...ectors/banking_and_finance/article5434660.ece
They aint lending as much out as the govt hoped.
But they do have a message for the beloved untermen...er..public:
Thanks suckers, and keep the loot comming. Call it "socialism" if it makes you feel better. Muppets.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/t...ectors/banking_and_finance/article5434660.ece
As a financial journalist, I do love the fact that those responsible for this almighty fuckup are blaming those of my ilk for pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. 
We're 'talking down the economy', we're 'making things worse than they really are'.
No, fuckwits, we're finally being allowed to point out what anyone with any intelligence knew two years ago: bubbles burst, and our economy was nothing but a bubble.
And there's only one answer to the current crisis: nationalise the banks and put Vince Cable in charge with 'Danny' Blanchflower as his chief adviser.
Innit interesting that the only member of the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee to get things right is the only one leaving?
We're 'talking down the economy', we're 'making things worse than they really are'.No, fuckwits, we're finally being allowed to point out what anyone with any intelligence knew two years ago: bubbles burst, and our economy was nothing but a bubble.
And there's only one answer to the current crisis: nationalise the banks and put Vince Cable in charge with 'Danny' Blanchflower as his chief adviser.
Innit interesting that the only member of the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee to get things right is the only one leaving?
elbows
Well-Known Member
What understanding would that be exactly? That the money poured in so far has not solved the problem? But that to allow the banking sector to collapse would bring instant devastation to most peoples lives?
That is the dilemma, the understandable outrage at the injustice of 'rewarding' or 'bailing out' bankers who got us into this mess, does not make the dilemma irrelevant.
There are clearly a number of radical alternatives to propping up the banking sector in the way thats been done so far, and will continue to be done. But these are also risky, have a cost to us all, and require at least a lengthy debate between the citizens of this country. Not bailing out the banks has bigger consequences than bailing them out, hence would be a radical change in policy which a real democracy would want to grant consent to rather than just wake up one day and find out it had been done.
taffboy gwyrdd
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What you are describing is the consequences of a system that requires the state to underwrite the banks. It is blackmail and Catch22.
If we dont underwrite them (this gets called "socialism" by the doublespeak capitalist press) the economy collapses. If we do, it is a hand over of power and assets and wont neccessarily even work.
So it's a rock and a hard place, but the least we can do is inform and educate about the nature of the scam.
The only workable solutions would be radical, obviously a more resource based real economy and issuance of money being in the hands of people (not private banks) would be a start.
Dont expect the G20 to come up with anything like that.
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