are we simply not evolved enough to have a just society?

[Shevek]

'society' is a bringing together

'anarchy' is a breaking apart.

its the breaking apart of illegitimate instutions leaving, as chainsaw cat so eloquently put it, the rest of society to get on with life

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Nah.

Most of society in towns and especially cities largely ignores authority anyway.

No one gives a shit.

It's only things like parking rules that get obeyed... other stuff like not killing each other, stealing and all that we just don't do as people.

We don't really need authority much. Nor leaders.

That black thingy I was talking about? One end goes in the wall, one in the computer. Not: one end in wall, other in mouth.

 

[chainsaw cat]

i've heard some thick things but...fuck off.

Me or JC2?

I repeat, I am a good shot

 

[Shevek]

i've heard some thick things but...fuck off.

why dont you contribute to a thread instead of offering one line attempted put downs?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

its the breaking apart of illegitimate instutions leaving, as chainsaw cat so eloquently put it, the rest of society to get on with life

'society' is an institution.

The destruction of known institutions, doesn't mean the destruction of 'institution', which is what anarchy is.

 

[chainsaw cat]

That black thingy I was talking about? One end goes in the wall, one in the computer. Not: one end in wall, other in mouth.

Liquorice bootlace?

Ah! you mean the power cable I left in Manchester.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Me or JC2?

I repeat, I am a good shot

Personally, I think you're so drunk right now, that if you tried to shave, you'd end up sawing your jugular.

Just my opinion.

 

[Shevek]

bleurgh

 

[butchersapron]

Me or JC2?

I repeat, I am a good shot

jc2

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Liquorice bootlace?

Ah! you mean the power cable I left in Manchester.

Yes. The same effect can be achieved by putting a finger in the outlet.

Don't do it!

 

[chainsaw cat]

Personally, I think you're so drunk right now, that if you tried to shave, you'd end up sawing your jugular.

Just my opinion.

On the contrary Comrade, I have not touched a drop except for a third of a can of Pils.


Been working.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

jc2

Me?

What did I do?

Is the moon full tonight or something? The hairy-paws are creeping out of the woodshed.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

On the contrary Comrade, I have not touched a drop except for a third of a can of Pils.


Been working.

They tell me that work can be intoxicating.

 

[chainsaw cat]

They tell me that work can be intoxicating.

If you are a winetaster perhaps.

Otherwise ime not so.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Of course, you'll have a ref for "anarchy' is a breaking apart"
i've heard some thick things but...fuck off.

I know the new improved anarchy is some souped up version of Fabian Socialism crossed with Marxism, but that's not what it really is.

 

[chainsaw cat]

jc2

Yeah, well, I have my eye on you now sunshine.

 

[butchersapron]

why dont you contribute to a thread instead of offering one line attempted put downs?

~I'm only learning and no one cares anyway. Stop worrying.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

If you are a winetaster perhaps.

Otherwise ime not so.

It might be intoxicating in the way that sniffing glue is. You go to a different consciousness via the death of brain cells.

 

[butchersapron]

I know the new improved anarchy is some souped up version of Fabian Socialism crossed with Marxism, but that's not what it really is.

Sorry, where is it?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Sorry, where is it?

Massachussetts.

 

[butchersapron]

Massachussetts.

not a bad place. bee gees etc

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

For the younger folks in the crowd.

 

[Blagsta]

'society' is a bringing together

'anarchy' is a breaking apart.

anarchy or anarchism? Shevek is talking about anarchism as a political theory, a way of organising society. Not the dictionary definition of disorder and chaos.

 

[kyser_soze]

So shevek, are you asking are we biologically capable of creating a just society? That our biological evolution hasn't progressed enough for us to be able to create the culture within which such a thing can happen? Perhaps it's something innate in our psychology that makes us pre-disposed to reproducing hierarchies when we gather in large groups?

Or are you talking about cultural evolution? Are you saying that despite the appearance of change happening in human societies (e.g. the change in economic relationships between feudal and capitalist socities), that ulitimately what has happened is not evolution to change, but rather a kind of environmental adaptation of hierarchy in response to other changes in human culture (e.g. technology), and that at base nothing has changed from when Priest-Kings and God-Kings ruled? I have some sympathy for that view personally - if only because despite all the apparent changes in history, the practical effects on those at the bottom (and indeed at the top if you're talking about personal psychology) haven't changed since Sumeria.

 

[chainsaw cat]

So shevek, are you asking are we biologically capable of creating a just society? That our biological evolution hasn't progressed enough for us to be able to create the culture within which such a thing can happen? Perhaps it's something innate in our psychology that makes us pre-disposed to reproducing hierarchies when we gather in large groups?

Or are you talking about cultural evolution? Are you saying that despite the appearance of change happening in human societies (e.g. the change in economic relationships between feudal and capitalist socities), that ulitimately what has happened is not evolution to change, but rather a kind of environmental adaptation of hierarchy in response to other changes in human culture (e.g. technology), and that at base nothing has changed from when Priest-Kings and God-Kings ruled? I have some sympathy for that view personally - if only because despite all the apparent changes in history, the practical effects on those at the bottom (and indeed at the top if you're talking about personal psychology) haven't changed since Sumeria.

That's what I said, you wordy bastard.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

anarchy or anarchism? Shevek is talking about anarchism as a political theory, a way of organising society. Not the dictionary definition of disorder and chaos.

As I read it, anarchism is a doctrine whose aim is to bring about anarchy. Given the nature of the discussion, I think it was clear that I was referring to anarchy in the societal sphere. The other definition is an obscure and little used meaning of the word that wouldn't have a place in this discussion.