Are the Welsh a separate "race"?

[Dr. Christmas]

I wouldnt take that much notice of what TJ says, he's gone from simply being dull to a trolling dickhead (IMO).

ain't that the truth....


...I always thought 'Cofi' was the term for someone from Caernarfon. No?

 

[Funky_monks]

How comes you're so sure then that the Welsh aren't a race, but you're not about the Japs? What about the Basques then? Or the Hottentots?

Because I know diddly squat about Japan. I'm guessing the Basques are a race, which kind of illustrates my point. They don't have a nation as such, do they (at least not 'officially')? And again I'm pretty sure there are many 'races' within the nation that is Wales, including all those which you mentioned in your previous post about the make-up of the genetics of various regions of Wales and various others who may have immigrated later, such as those of Italian, Afro-Carribean, Pakistani, Indian, etc etc (and of the races which may exist in those geographical areas) descent who can all call themselves 'Welsh'.

 

[Streathamite]

there's a question lurking at the heart of this; what is the difference between a 'race' and a 'nation' - can anyone come up with a good explanation of the distinction?

 

[Funky_monks]

...I always thought 'Cofi' was the term for someone from Caernarfon. No?

It is, in essence. But the way it was explained to me by a person who lives there, is that to be a true 'Cofi' you and your family have to have lived inside the old city walls for as long as anyone can remember. Or something like that. I was quie drunk at the time. Maybe Ern can clarify more?

 

[WasGeri]

Is it true that there is a Welsh language committee that meet to make up Welsh words for things that didn't exist previously?

 

[Funky_monks]

there's a question lurking at the heart of this; what is the difference between a 'race' and a 'nation' - can anyone come up with a good explanation of the distinction?

That's what I was thinking. But I'm at a loss to come up with a coherent definition of either, as the two often appear to be intertwined. Perhaps they are less intertwined now than they ever have been throughout history.

I realise this may seem hypocritical in the light of my assertation that the Welsh are not a race. But I certainly have met people in Wales who would argue strongly that they are Welsh, but also black or Asian (the first appearing to be a nationality, the second (possibly) a race).

 

[Idaho]

'r ddeillia ydy atalnwyd a yn diddori hun. Whereas Cymru 'n ddiau has a 'n eglur a 'n arwyddocaol gwrteithia , dydy 'n anghywir at awgryma a 'na exists rhyw seperate cenedl. Amcanion chan nationhood gwisga t 'n sylweddol gofyn rhyw racial chyfiawnhad. 'n gyfryw chyfiawnhad would i mewn itself bod 'n fawr 'n anghywir yn ôl 'n ddiweddar hymchwil.

 

[Strumpet]

*snigger*

 

[Idaho]

...ahh yes, the true blue middle england tory with the name of an american state....

You mean there's another true blue tory on the boards with the name of an american state? Oh.. you mean me don't you.

Hehehe... because I disagree with your political views eh? Well fair enough.

 

[Idaho]

*snigger*

'n chwith 'm Cymraeg ydy 'n amdlawd hyn ddiwrnodau. Amheua hunrhywun all ddeall 'i.

 

[oddjob]

Is it true that there is a Welsh language committee that meet to make up Welsh words for things that didn't exist previously?

well if they don't, someone else will

 

[ernestolynch]

'r ddeillia ydy atalnwyd a yn diddori hun. Whereas Cymru 'n ddiau has a 'n eglur a 'n arwyddocaol gwrteithia , dydy 'n anghywir at awgryma a 'na exists rhyw seperate cenedl. Amcanion chan nationhood gwisga t 'n sylweddol gofyn rhyw racial chyfiawnhad. 'n gyfryw chyfiawnhad would i mewn itself bod 'n fawr 'n anghywir yn ôl 'n ddiweddar hymchwil.

err...heinrich himmler????

 

[TeeJay]

'r ddeillia ydy atalnwyd a yn diddori hun. Whereas Cymru 'n ddiau has a 'n eglur a 'n arwyddocaol gwrteithia , dydy 'n anghywir at awgryma a 'na exists rhyw seperate cenedl. Amcanion chan nationhood gwisga t 'n sylweddol gofyn rhyw racial chyfiawnhad. 'n gyfryw chyfiawnhad would i mewn itself bod 'n fawr 'n anghywir yn ôl 'n ddiweddar hymchwil.

http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran/

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Sounds like he needs some Rennies!

 

[RubberBuccaneer]

Don't we have this argument every 3 weeks?

I would say the Celts were a race, and we're part of that race.

There was a study done a few years back showing a predominance of blood group A in North Wales akin to the Iberian Peninsular.

There was also a programme on the Valleys that showed because of the periods of migration into Wales that Pontypridd was a very English town, something as a Cardiffian cheered me up no end.

In summary we all hate each other, the closer geographically the greater the hatred, but if you so much as dare slag any of our countrymen off, we're all Welsh and stick like glue. ( it works to a cetain extent for any Celtic country too )

 

[Macabre]

What about all the Scots ginger nuts then ?

Thats because of a mutation, wereas I'm Scotish and have auburn hair which apparently means I've Viking blood in me.

 

[red3k]

My great gran only spoke Welsh, my mum's just moved there from Bristol and says everyone is SO friendly in Wales. Most of the Welsh people I've met have been clubbing in Bristol and they're always really muntered - but nice.
I love 'em.

 

[Idaho]

Thats because of a mutation, wereas I'm Scotish and have auburn hair which apparently means I've Viking blood in me.

We're all a mish-mash. The 'purest' human groups genetically (albeit a fundamentally flawed concept) are the Basques, Aboriginal Australians, certain central asians, Ainu of Japan and some tribes in Africa. Probably the rest of us on this board probably share common ancestors within 10 generations.

 

[Idaho]

I would say the Celts were a race, and we're part of that race.

There was a study done a few years back showing a predominance of blood group A in North Wales akin to the Iberian Peninsular.

Well that's settled it then

Celtic is really an archeological reference point rather than any definition of genetics. It refers to similar styles of art, burial and other features predominating during a certain period across areas of europe.

Recent DNA studies have also shown that Sussex and Hampshire are as genetically 'celtic' as Wales and Cornwall!

 

[Idaho]

http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran/

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Sounds like he needs some Rennies!

Wtf! You need to get a better translator!

 

[ernestolynch]

Well that's settled it then

Celtic is really an archeological reference point rather than any definition of genetics. It refers to similar styles of art, burial and other features predominating during a certain period across areas of europe.

Recent DNA studies have also shown that Sussex and Hampshire are as genetically 'celtic' as Wales and Cornwall!

No they haven't - unless you are treating Stormfront as a proper source, nazi-boy....

 

[RubberBuccaneer]

Recent DNA studies have also shown that Sussex and Hampshire are as genetically 'celtic' as Wales and Cornwall!

And why not?
It's reasonable.

Interested by the purity of the Basques considering how small and enclosed they are, you'd think only the most isolated could remain 'pure' ( and hence inbred )
hang on does that make European monarchies a race?

 

[Funky_monks]

My great gran only spoke Welsh, my mum's just moved there from Bristol and says everyone is SO friendly in Wales.

I've generally found this to be the case too. Going to Wales from the south of England is a bit like going back up North. It's nice isn't it?

 

[TeeJay]

Wtf! You need to get a better translator!

Any suggestions?

 

[Idaho]

No they haven't - unless you are treating Stormfront as a proper source, nazi-boy....

I don't really know where to start unpicking this moronic response. Calling someone 'nazi boy' is probably against the posting FAQs for starters. Secondly since when are Stormfront interested in declaring themselves Celts?

I suggest you take a night off from the sauce and clear your head.

 

[Idaho]

And why not?
It's reasonable.

Interested by the purity of the Basques considering how small and enclosed they are, you'd think only the most isolated could remain 'pure' ( and hence inbred )
hang on does that make European monarchies a race?

The suggestion from archeological and genetic data is that the Basques were a group that seperated off from the main emmigration from africa. Most of which went east. Eventually this eastern group returned and repopulated Europe but missed off the Basque country leaving them genetically relatively untouched.

 

[ernestolynch]

You're always quoting shit which is straight from Tyndall circa 1975....

 

[Strumpet]

My great gran only spoke Welsh, my mum's just moved there from Bristol and says everyone is SO friendly in Wales. Most of the Welsh people I've met have been clubbing in Bristol and they're always really muntered - but nice.
I love 'em.

And Wales loves you tooooooo red and funky

 

[frogwoman]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not the Celtic/Slavic/Saxon/Mediterrainean shit they love to endlessly tlak about on Stormfront.

Please no.

Next people will be wanting a "racial classifications forum". pleae dont let this happen.
Its not just racist, its truyl truly sad and pathetic.

Will you be looking at pictures of people from different countries - or celebs and saying "oh, his face looks rather nordic, but he has brachiocyphalic features, and could be 1/256ths mediterranean"?

Please, please spare me.....................

Anyone who has ever been on a fascist site will know what i am talking about. this classifications bullshit is beyond belief and truly tragic.

 

[frogwoman]

lmao@anyone who's into that sort of thing.

Its like a racist's form of stamp collecting, except that stamp collecting can be remotely interesting sometimes...

 

[tom796]

Recent DNA studies have also shown that Sussex and Hampshire are as genetically 'celtic' as Wales and Cornwall!

if that's true, i'd be very surprised as hampshire was the heartland of wessex and sussex probably the oldest and most insular of the saxon kingdoms. i'd be really interested to see the evidence. any links idaho?