Are the Welsh a separate "race"?

Discussion in 'Wales/Cymru' started by TeeJay, Jun 23, 2004.

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Are the Welsh a separate "race"?

  1. Yes

    16 vote(s)
    23.5%
  2. No

    51 vote(s)
    75.0%
  3. Other (please state)

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
  1. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    Just one little gem from your list of my supposed "crimes"
    On a thread about schools in general I was asked where I went to school and I told everyone. I was then accused of being a "rich cunt" who had been to a fee paying school. I then told everyone that the majority of the students at my school either pay nothing at all or paid 25% of the fees. I said that I didn't know which one applied to me as I had never discussed it with my parents. I was then accused of lying and people started saying that I *did* pay fees. I answered one of these people by saying "I didn't pay fees", and was immediately jumped all over by people shouting "Liar, liar, pants on fire". The second "lie" that a lot of people started creaming themselves about was that, from memory, I said I thought that the majority of people paid no fees back in the 1980s when I was at the school. I even provided a link to the school website. Someone looked up the link, found some figures for 2004 which were different from my recollections of the 80s, and started shouting "liar, liar, pants on fire" again.

    It is extremely pathetic to claim that this amounts to having shown I am a liar or dishonest, and it is also false to claim that I am "widely regarded as deceitful" since you are talking about a tiny clique who wouldn't know a truth or falsehood if it came up and smacked them in the face with a rolled up copy of Socialist Worker. It is easy to throw around claims of people being dishonest - maybe I should just say that *you* are widely regarded as dishonest, and maybe if I repeat it enough some people might start believing it?
    Where did you get this bizarre idea? I am not presenting myself as "alternative" and the minority of posters who seem to love wallowing in shit are actually the minority. I wonder where you would locate yourself on this spectrum? It probably says more about your own self-image than anything else, and maybe about the fact that you have also started being abusive when you had arguments with me in the past, and this has colored a lot of your comments about me ever since.
    Would you care to find me one single thread that I have started on this so-called "theme" before? It is very obvious that "the Welsh are a separate race" is a claim frequently made by Ernestolynch, and my asking the question is by way of wanting to challenging the false beliefs around race, rather than anything to do with any interest I have in the specific question 'are the Welsh a race'. This should be so obvious to anyone who has a brain and can actually read English that I am really surprised that you are willing to actually try and make such a claim when it is so easy to prove as untrue.
    Thank you for saying that some of the abuse has been out of order and I will also admit that I have thrown abuse at people in reaction to getting laid into. As the tension goes up so does the tendancy to tell people to "fuck off" rather than try and and keep things civil and just argue the case. However, I am not saying it is "everyone's" fault. The vast majority of people on urban75 are totally fine, and many of the others know where to draw the line. I am talking about a mere handful of posters who deliberately go out of their way to have fights, be abusive, lie and generally behave like scumbags.
     
  2. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    It gets the Stalinist stamp of approval for grade A propaganda does it?
     
  3. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    So what are you suggesting?
     
  4. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    So why are you obsessed with the Welsh sub-race (part of the Celtic Race)? Jealous?
     
  5. Dr. Christmas

    Dr. Christmas ca suffit

    I don't have any suggestions.

    It's up to you to decide what you want to do in response.

    I'm not going to get into line-by-line scrutiny of your response above. It's my honest opinion as to why you've taken so much flak recently, and why you seem to be extremely and increasingly unpopular with a group of posters. If you disagree with it or see it as 'Stalinist propaganda' well, that's up to you.

    Edited to add: one thing, though: you've been involved in endless discussions of the celtic 'races' ever since I've been reading this board. The fact that such threads no longer exist is not 'proof' that they never happened.
     
  6. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    I am not obsessed with them. You are the one who constantly makes claims about the Welsh being a separate "race". If someone arrived on these boards and started claiming that poeple from Outer Mongolia were a separate "race" I would challenge them as well. I might even start a thread entitled "Are Mongolians a separate race" and use it to argue that they aree not and the concept of separate and distinct "races" is false.
     
  7. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    No, the Welsh are not a seperate race, they are a sub-race of the Celtic Race. You are in denial, Teejay-San....what's up, your punka-wallah on strike?
     
  8. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    Come on don't be shy! How about setting out your own approach? If you can see negative things so clearly then surely you must be able to suggest postive behaviours as well? Of course everyone has to decide for themselves, but why not set out the options for dealing with the situation when arguments get heated?
    "extremely and increasingly unpopular with a group of posters" - I can agree with this, if you put it like that.
    I contribute to a whole range of threads. Most (maybe all apart from this one) of the "celtic" threads have been started by other people. The issue of regional assemblies in England, Wales, Scotland and NI is a current political issue, and as someone who wasn't even born in the UK and who has a "mixed" family and heritage, I actually feel more affiliation to the UK as a whole than to any of the individual countries that make it up. I therefoe feel entirely justified in arguing in favour of maninatin the UK as a single country, althoiugh I fully respect anyone's rights to disagee and their right to argue for devolution and independence. I don't agree with this and argue against it, but ultimately it should be the decision of the people in that region, although I would argue that people there who might want to retain some kinds of rights to live and work in the rest of the UK and were faced with losing these should have their rights as UK citizens protected somehow. What is wrong with people having an opinion about the UK as a whole and its political structures? It is currently one country and all UK citizens have the right to live and work anywhere within it, stand for election and help shape legislation and laws for all of it. The vast majority of people don't have any trouble with the fact that Blair, Brown and other cabinet members are Scottish, or that other cabinet members were not even born in the UK. I am not going to apologise for voicing an opinion about issues such as devolution or challenging people who try and claim that ther are such things as separate "races".
     
  9. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    What's a punka-wallah?
     
  10. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    So you're a foreigner who is a British Nationalist....charming.... :(
     
  11. pbman

    pbman (mo-lone lah-veh)

    So it can't be both?

    Do you live on earth or what?

    What diverse group of people are after me?

    I get along with everyone pretty but the trots.

    And claiming majority support in an argument is pathetic, and weak, as their plenty of silly group thought in the world it means little.
     
  12. pbman

    pbman (mo-lone lah-veh)

    Don't say shit like that without warning, i laughed so hard i spit coffee all over my keyboard. :mad:
     
  13. Dr. Christmas

    Dr. Christmas ca suffit

    1. My approach?

    Briefly: 1. axe the endless C & P- a link will do 2. This isn't the House of Commons nor is u75 Hansard: perhaps cut down on the verbiage? In a 'here today, gone tomorrow' throwaway medium like a busy BB, no-one reads thesis-length justifications of a particular point. 3. stop going on and on about your fucking ignore list and indulging in 'withering' valedictory paragraphs of people you've added to it. It makes you look about 5. 4. Stop taking everything so personally- it's only typing on the internet.
     
  14. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    If he took this advice, we'd have a lot less fun.
    :(
     
  15. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    How did you work this one out then? :confused:

    I am a UK citizen. I have family and connections with a whole range of countries within and outside the UK. I do not believe in separate races and I hate racists. I support the Green Party.

    You labelling is way off the mark.
     
  16. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    What's a punka-wallah?
     
  17. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    I'm not a Yookay Citizen. I didn't know there was such a thing. You're Johhny Foreigner on some British Nationalist meal-ticket!
     
  18. METH LAB

    METH LAB Im a goat! Banned

    "What's a punka-wallah?"

    A big ass tri-pod with a hot ass heat ray.... and 3 legs.
     
  19. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    I think our Crazy American British Nationalist mainlines rather than uses one of those.
     
  20. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    Thank you for this.

    However:

    1. axe the endless C & P - a link will do

    I don't see why a very short C&P of something that expresses a pint far better than I am able to is any worse than trying to type out the same thing myself, except not as well, if it is roughly the same length of text or whatever, so I will continue to do this where I feel that relevant or useful. It is also worth letting people know that a view or point of information isn't just coming from my imagination - that it is coming from a source that has had input from a much wider group of people. In fact doing this makes a very different point than just stating my perosonal opinion on something.

    2. ...cut down on the verbiage?

    Plenty of people write very long posts, or make hundreds of shorter posts which add to to very much the same thing. It is very easy to not bother reading a long or boring post so why would anyone get angry about this? If someone really was being excessive I am sure the mods would be able to ask them to cut things down, and they often do remove excessive C&Ps if they have to (although I have never had one of mine removed).
     
  21. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    What is this comment mean to mean exactly? Surely not a reference to travelling by train surely?
     
  22. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    Which "fun" are you referring to Ernesto? Are you saying you actually enjoy reading Green Party press releases? I'd better sign you up to the daily email lists then! :D
     
  23. METH LAB

    METH LAB Im a goat! Banned

    "Surely not a reference to travelling by train surely?"

    :D lmao
     
  24. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    So you are a completely ignorant fool then? Do you have a passport? What does it say in the front? Who is the issuing authority for the passport (you will find this on the photo page)? You really are a bizarre troglodyte aren't you?
     
  25. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    You're doing it again, Teejay-san....are you saying that the Celtic race are 'troglodytes' now? RASCIST!
    :mad:
     
  26. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    I have a Welsh passport anyway, Teejay-san.
     
  27. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    No - *you* are a troglodyte.

    And what do you have against "rascs" anyway? :confused:

    Oh, I see! RASC = The Royal Astronomical Society of Canada, motto "Quo Ducit Urania" (Where Urania leads).

    So what have you got against Uranus Ernie?
     
  28. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    No ern, he's saying you're a troglodyte.
    Bit unfair on trogs tbh.
     
  29. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    ADHOMINEM!!!! BAN HIM! BAN HIM NOW!!!!!
    *Post reported*
     
  30. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    trog┬Ělo┬Ědyte ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trgl-dt)
    n.

    1.
    1. A member of a fabulous or prehistoric race of people that lived in caves, dens, or holes.
    2. A person considered to be reclusive, reactionary, out of date, or brutish.

    2.
    1. An anthropoid ape, such as a gorilla or chimpanzee.
    2. An animal that lives underground, as an ant or a worm.

    Hmm - I see what you mean. Probably is a bit unfair on the trogs. ;)
     

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