Are the Welsh a separate "race"?

Discussion in 'Wales/Cymru' started by TeeJay, Jun 23, 2004.


Are the Welsh a separate "race"?

  1. Yes

    16 vote(s)
  2. No

    51 vote(s)
  3. Other (please state)

    1 vote(s)
  1. TeeJay

    TeeJay New Member

    Over to you.
  2. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    What's it to do with you?
  3. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    *unsubscribes from thread*
    *bangs on perspex screen*
  4. Pingu

    Pingu Credo

    no we are not a seperate race.. a seperate culture yes.

    Try this same thread but using "indians" or Jamacans" and see what sort of response you get

  5. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    *Votes the opposite of Teejay's vote*
    *Tears England flag off of flimsier (thief)'s car*

    *And bangs on perspex screen after butchers*
  6. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    *Votes the opposite of Teejay's vote*
    *Tears England flag off of flimsier (thief)'s car*

    *And bangs on perspex screen after butchers*

    *puts moron back on ignore*
  7. Pingu

    Pingu Credo

    anyone got a book going on how long till this hits the bin?
  8. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    *Votes the opposite of Teejay's vote*
    *Tears England flag off of flimsier (thief)'s car*

    *And bangs on perspex screen after butchers*

    *puts moron back on ignore*

    *Unsubscribes to thread*
  9. Belushi

    Belushi 01 811 8055 R.I.P.

    A separate ethnic group rather than a separate race, but it really depends on what you mean by 'race'.
  10. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    *and goes to do some work*
  11. Funky_monks

    Funky_monks Neo-Rustic

    No, Wales is a nation where the *Welsh* live. Many separate *races* exist there.


    <edited to add> If you really are that bothered about the various *races* present in Wales try reading "A History of Wales" by John Davies. If, as I suspect you're being a trolling prick, you can fuck off.
  12. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

  13. Jorum

    Jorum Well-Known Member

    All in all race is a fairly artificial idea.

    You can look at genetic similarities in groups, but even then it doesn't really equate to anything meaningful.

    Social customs etc are more meaningful, but that isn't what most people call "race" anyway.
    Although it is fairly meaningless, people might be interested to know that there is apparently quite a noticable genetic "divide" between the welsh and other UK populations. (for example english/europe is generally much closer genetically)

    Although the mDNA analysis methods usually used for these comparisons are, in the opinion of some, faulty and misleading.
  14. Corax

    Corax Luke 5:16

    Someone was bored and wanted a fight then...
  15. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    Are the Japs a seperate race? What about the Septics?
  16. bosco

    bosco i'm a kimberly mikado

    what about the goms?

  17. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    or the gays? :confused:
  18. goldenecitrone

    goldenecitrone post tenebras lux

    Don't know about race, but a different species, definitely
  19. Macabre

    Macabre digiratti

    Genetically celts have different characteristic markers from the english but the expresion of these genes doesnt create a distinct physical difference. So genetically yes they are but in practice no.
  20. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    What about all the Scots ginger nuts then ?
  21. veracity

    veracity unspecified

    A separate race from whom?

    Oh do grow up.

  22. rubbershoes

    rubbershoes not the only raver in the village

  23. Strumpet

    Strumpet gypsy girl

    *wanders in.....looks around....* :rolleyes:

    gwirionyn @ TeeJay :p
  24. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    Mae'r boi Teejay yn ddigri iawn pan mae o wedi ddechrau malu cachu fel hyn, y twp.
  25. FreddyB

    FreddyB Floating my boat

    My cousins welsh and he's in a seperate reality. Nothin to do with him bein welsh, he's just a nutter.
  26. Pingu

    Pingu Credo

    actually if being pedantic are we gogs a seperate race from the southern welsh?

    my favourite race was the 800 metres I was quite good at that
  27. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    Gogs are racially purer than the hwntwrs. On Ynys Mon you will find the purest Cymric race. On Lleyn the blood was mixed with Irish from Leinster (hence the name). Further East towards the Clwydian Range you will encounter a mixture of Pure Cymry and Brythonic refugees from Elmet and other Celtic nations over-run by the Hunnish invaders.

    In the midlands - Powys - you will find a hybrid of Cymry and some Mercian stock, from when Welsh raiders would kidnap the less-ugly women of Saxon race and take them back to breed.

    Pembrokeshire is known as Little England although French and Flemish were settled there by the Norman overlords, then English people were settled and the local Welsh kicked off the land.

    In the South Wales industrial heartlands you will find a mongrelised Welshman - a mixture of immigrants during the industrial age from Italy, Spain, Ireland, Scotland and England.

    Monmouthshire (Gwent) are practically English.

    Kernow (Cernyw) was known as 'South Wales' until recently and the Cornish race is the same as the Cymric, as are the Bretons in Breizh, who fled overseas to escape the Germanic hordes.


    Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, TJ.
  28. Hocus Eye.

    Hocus Eye. Snap, crop, scrap crap R.I.P.

    Come on then Ernesto lets have your Bibliography and other sources for this. Have you got any primary evidence?

    Hocus Eye - you'm not from round these parts are you?
  29. ernestolynch

    ernestolynch Banned Banned

    *Taps on head*
    Its all up here, kid.
  30. Funky_monks

    Funky_monks Neo-Rustic

    "Racially purer" eh, Ern?

    Does this mean that someone from Rhyl is more "genetically pure" than someone from Pontyprydd?

    The whole question's fucked up if you ask me. It's the same as asking if the English or French or Spanish etc are a 'race'. Your race is not nescessarily based on your geographical location, is it?

    If you want an example of how many 'races' are also Welsh, take a look at the national rugby team. :p

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