Are the IWCA running in the locals?

[In Bloom]

there's no evidence ben provided of any dealing in that article tho. Could well be that Cole was simply approached for a comment by the paper.

Possible, just saying that the article was slanted towards condemning the judge rather than the facts of the case, the situation could be more complicated than it appears.

And I don't know many people who grow and don't deal at least a little bit. Is he going to smoke twenty odd ounces of green on his own?

 

[belboid]

takes three months to grow it, so its not impossible. And even if (as is likely I agree) he was to flog a bit, it is hardly enough to be having people knocking on your door at any time of day or night, far more likely just a bit to his mates.

 

[poster342002]

Frankley, antisocial cannabis use and dealing is a nuisance and does attract unsavoury people to a given area. I can speak from experience - having to run the gauntlet of "skunk skunk skunk" arseholes lining the pavement each night and also invading the local bus-shelters; thus making it difficult for non-drug buyers to use them in peace.

These dealers are obnoxious and intimidating to anyone who just wishes to catch a bus. Why should local communities have to tolerate this crap indefinately?

I'm actually in favour of legalised cannabis cafes (like Amsterdam). What I'm NOT in favour is a seedy free-for-all, which is what many 'wadical' aleternative-lifestylers seem to find so attractive about the whole weed scene as it exists. I suspect a lot of them would actually give it up in droves were it legalised.

 

[belboid]

That might well be true. But from that article, that wasnt what was happening at all.

 

[poster342002]

Either way, the whole rampant cannabis thing at the moment is pissing a lot of people off. Many of us are sick and tired, for example, of yobs on the tops of buses smoking it whilst yelling and shouting in order to show off how "hard" they are and how they "own" the fucking bus - so everyone else better shut up and keep their heads down.

I mean, FFS, you're not supposed to smoke on busses (for a variety of good reasons) at all let along smoke dope!

 

[Furtwangler]

Definitely something strange going on there. From that article linked to above:

"Police raided the flat in Evenlode Tower in February where Pledge was temporarily housed after an arson attack on his home."

and

"Defending himself, Pledge, a business partner in Oxford Hydroponics"

Why was there an arson attack on his former home? Is there a possible connection with his involvement in Oxford Hydroponics? Is it possible that the police may have approached Oxford Hydroponics at some point, asking for details about their customers?

Makes you wonder.

 

[Fisher_Gate]

Is this Kensington in London or Liverpool?

Just curious

This was the London one. The seat no longer exists - part of it is tory seat of Kensington and Chelsea, now held by Malcolm Rifkind with a long list of Tory infamous holders; other part is Labour held Regent's Park and Kensington North. Although it is thought of as an overwhelmingly very affluent area, there are some significant bits of deprivation.

Kensington in Liverpool is part of Liverpool Wavertree constituency and is one of the most depressed and deprived locations in the whole of the UK with little in common with its London namesake.

 

[In Bloom]

This was the London one. The seat no longer exists - part of it is tory seat of Kensington and Chelsea, now held by Malcolm Rifkind with a long list of Tory infamous holders; other part is Labour held Regent's Park and Kensington North. Although it is thought of as an overwhelmingly very affluent area, there are some significant bits of deprivation.

Cheers

 

[In Bloom]

Either way, the whole rampant cannabis thing at the moment is pissing a lot of people off. Many of us are sick and tired, for example of yobs on the tops of buses smoking it whilst yelling and shouting in order to show off how "hard" they are and how they "own" the fucking bus - so everyone else better shut up and keep their heads down.

I mean, FFS, you're not supposed to smoke on busses (for a variety of good reasons) at all let along smoke dope!

Don't even get me started

 

[Nigel]

The Guy in Question is not a notorious dealer, in fact a few people who are seen as 'all right' because of their previous dealings with AFA could be considered in IWCA's perspective of Anti-Social as bieng far worse.

But your missing the point. Forget the dope angle, Mr Pledge was not prosecuted under criminal proceedings by the CPS (this was a small quantity of hemp;Class C. Not even skunk), but taken to County Court under civil proceedings on the basis of Cherwell Housing Association (in my opinion one of the biggest bunch of corrupt crooks i've come across recentely) evicting this guy. Does the IWCA in Oxford want to be in the same position as Sinn Feinn on the Housing Exective in the North Of Ireland with the authority they have over Housing in 'their areas'.

Housing Associations like this have taken over from Council Housing, a large proportion of what they are delaing with is Social Housing. Do you really want to see a position; of which (if Judge C. Harris had taken the other side) where you can evict anyone on some minoer petty criminal offence. The fact that he was almost £1500 in debit has nothing to do with this case????

 

[Nigel]

Bougeious Judiciary

This is the quote.
Dictum possibly i'm not sure:
"If you are Sherlock Holmes & you go back to 21 Baker St & inject yourself with Cocaine, as he did, he cannot be called a nuisance."

"So quietly smoking cannabis at home, not that it is to be encouraged, Im not that it is o be encouraged, i'm not sure that it constitues a nuisance"

IIf you are simply growing it, its not more offensive to neighbours than tomato plants. What goes along side that activity may well constitute a nuisance. But I would'nt have thought thatsimply growing cannabis or simply cultivating cannabis is a nuisance."

 

[Nigel]

Our Grass Root 'working class' reps in IWCA

Lee Cole, "Cultivating cannabis attracts the wrong type of people into your house. And neighbours, especially in place like a tower block, have to put up with them knocking on doors all the time."

Have Oxford IWCA turned into another bunch of tin pot fascists, or is their more to this than meets the eye?????

 

[Nigel]

Tosser

Either way, the whole rampant cannabis thing at the moment is pissing a lot of people off. Many of us are sick and tired, for example, of yobs on the tops of buses smoking it whilst yelling and shouting in order to show off how "hard" they are and how they "own" the fucking bus - so everyone else better shut up and keep their heads down.

I mean, FFS, you're not supposed to smoke on busses (for a variety of good reasons) at all let along smoke dope!

You really are a sad pathetic individual; you never did things like this when you were young.

If their are problems like this do you thing these procedures are the way to deal with it??????

 

[Nigel]

Hmm, knowing the IWCA, I suspect there'll be more to it that has been reported (like the residents complaining about this fella's customers showing up at all hours or whatnot)

For people who are supposed to be involved in community politics is getting someone evicted through a housing assiociation in this way the rigt way to deal with things. These are the people who originally would'nt have talks with police behind closed doors, because it would alienate themselves from the community. So why support or be involved with something like this that would create such a legal precedent, or have clandestine manouvres with a Housing Assoc. like Cherwell (who would like to be more unnacountable than Thames Valley).

 

[In Bloom]

For people who are supposed to be involved in community politics is getting someone evicted through a housing assiociation in this way the rigt way to deal with things. These are the people who originally would'nt have talks with police behind closed doors, because it would alienate themselves from the community. So why support or be involved with something like this that would create such a legal precedent, or have clandestine manouvres with a Housing Assoc. like Cherwell (who would like to be more unnacountable than Thames Valley).

There's nothing to indicate that the IWCA got this fella evicted, if you read the article.

Though I reckon there's definately more to it than is being reported so far.

 

[Furtwangler]

Have Oxford IWCA turned into another bunch of tin pot fascists, or is their more to this than meets the eye?????

Yes there might well be, read my post above earlier in the thread.

Fuck sake you lefties want to change the world, but you're babes in the wood when it comes to the ways of the world.

 

[poster342002]

Nigel,

Your sneering post towards me post is a prime example of how most of the left alienates itself from working class people's concerns. Nothing more to say to you, really.

 

[belboid]

Yes there might well be, read my post above earlier in the thread.

Fuck sake you lefties want to change the world, but you're babes in the wood when it comes to the ways of the world.

but your post was just a bunch of assumption, no evidence behind it.

As far as simply growing a bit of dope goes, the magistrate was correct - it is harmless. There is no evidence that there was more to it than that, if there was a lot of anti-social behaviour involved as well, why didnt that come up in the case?

 

[Nigel]

Nigel,

Integrity has never been ne of your better qualities

 

[Nigel]

Horny handed sons of toil

What the fuck do you know about the working class.
If you did you or any knowledge of working class culture or the individual(s)involved you would hold your hands up to it.

 

[Nigel]

Fascism under another name

Most people don't like living next door to anti-social cunts. Is really that hard to grasp?

What do you do with the five percenters????????

 

[Nigel]

For Race & Nation

If the left is going to be taken seriously it needs to

Crack down on anti social behaviour
Oppose mass immigration
Oppsose islamic extremism
Stop sucking up to TU bureaucrats and listen to the union members instead.

Otto Strasser Eat Your Heart Out!!!!!
TOSSER

 

[Nigel]

God Bless The Paternal State!!!!!

Frankley, antisocial cannabis use and dealing is a nuisance and does attract unsavoury people to a given area. I can speak from experience - having to run the gauntlet of "skunk skunk skunk" arseholes lining the pavement each night and also invading the local bus-shelters; thus making it difficult for non-drug buyers to use them in peace.

These dealers are obnoxious and intimidating to anyone who just wishes to catch a bus. Why should local communities have to tolerate this crap indefinately?

I'm actually in favour of legalised cannabis cafes (like Amsterdam). What I'm NOT in favour is a seedy free-for-all, which is what many 'wadical' aleternative-lifestylers seem to find so attractive about the whole weed scene as it exists. I suspect a lot of them would actually give it up in droves were it legalised.

If you were serious about this you would'nt be attacking someone who is growing a bit of Cannabis(not even skunk) but trying to deal with these individuals on the local shopping parade. Rather than persecuting a soft target.

To Quote the alleged accusssed:
"Should'nt they (obviously the IWCA/Estabishment) be concerning themselves with things that do matter, like crack cocaine and smack(heroin) rather than picking on someone who stays at home?"

"I feel persecuted because they have tried to make me out to be somemthing I'm not. If I was a problem to the community I would accept it but I',m not."
OXFORD MAIL:08/08/06

 

[poster342002]

I really couldn't comment on the Oxford thing, as I don't live there, and am not a member of the IWCA anyway.

Generally, I find the IWCA's policy on drugs and antisocial behaviour to be a breath of fresh air for a left-leaning organisation, though.

 

[Nigel]

Cannibalise Legalists?

Crack & Heroin are parasitical influences on working class communities, not some guy smoking a bit of grass; especially if he's grown it yourself!

 

[Nigel]

So No one in and around the IWCA is prepared to comment on this?
Dug yourselves into a left reformist trap: can't get out?

So much for open democracy!!!!!

 

[audiotech]

If you grow your own, you avoid dealers, being ripped of, being poisoned by toxic additives and everyone saves on prescription drugs.

Can't understand the kneejerk reactionary position taken on this by the IWCA?

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

If those were Labour quotes and a New Labour supporter they'd be roundly condemned, and rightly so.

I want more info, but if what I read is true the IWCA can fuck off.

 

[Ryoma]

Otto Strasser Eat Your Heart Out!!!!!
TOSSER

Yep....National Boshevism!

Straws in the Wind who accomodate themselves to the Right Wing mood instead of opposing it. If there was a rise in Left politics then these people would be the most revolutionary on the block.

"Tossers" just about sums it up.

 

[durruti02]

So No one in and around the IWCA is prepared to comment on this?
Dug yourselves into a left reformist trap: can't get out?

So much for open democracy!!!!!

LOL

iwca afaik don't post on here any more and afaik have not done for months so your post is really

p.s. of course as you say iwca are strasserites dear oh dear the political analysis of the left is really fking poor