Are Lambeth Labour going to get voted back in in 2018?

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by teuchter, Feb 25, 2018.

  1. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    I don't see how anyone could expect any other outcome from standing in opposition to a party that you're supposed to be a member of.
  2. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills Well-Known Member

    But why a two year ban for Kingsley, yet a five year one for Rachel? Both broke Labour party rules in the exact same way - standing against the established party candidate.
  3. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    She supports Corbyn. Lambeth Labour are unreconstructed Blairite scum.

    She is more Labour in a real sense than the likes of Peck and Captain Jack.

    Look at my posts on who are you going to vote for thread.

    Rachel is real Labour unlike the scum who run Lambeth Labour. Peck ( Captain Jack ( Pop and arches) , Edbrooke ( gym/ libraries).

    As I said in who will you vote for thread I heard Blair on radio this morning moaning that the "centre ground" no longer is political mainstream. It's alive and well in Lambeth sadly. If there was real justice Rachel would be Labour candidate. Peck and the rest of them would be expelled for not representing Labour. Which they don't.

    The Blairite project was always a middle class one that didn't like the working class. Or in Tony's view they were dying out and with "Globalisation" they were on the way out.

    Rachel from her direct experience was starting to see things differently. Coldharbour being one of the most deprived wards. Despite wanky New Labour flagship schemes like Pop.
  4. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Oh, hadn't realised a copyc virtually duplicate thread had been started. Heh.
  5. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    just notice that Jim Dickson et al in Herne Hill are listed as the 'Labour and Co-operatice Party' - is that new? I thought he was just plain 'Labour Party' at least that is what it said on their flyer.
  6. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills Well-Known Member

    It's something that many Labour candidates like to add to their election nominations. They soon drop it once they are in.

    It would be more truthful to list the party of Jimbo and his pals as officially being Progress tbh.
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  7. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    It is one of the quirks of Labour party history. The Cooperative party is a separate party. Being going for years. It was around in the early days of the Labour party. But smaller than Labour party. Since 1927 the Cooperative party has had an electoral pact with Labour party. So one can be member of Labour party and the smaller Cooperative party. Then stand as a Labour and Cooperative party candidate.

    The Cooperative party to this day is still a separate party. It main support financially is the Cooperative wholesale society CWS. To you and me the Coop shop we may use.

    The Cooperative party did and still does promote Cooperative societies and enterprise.

    Interestingly the Communist party of GB also tried to affiliate to Labour party in similar way but was turned down several times. Bit to radical for Labour party.

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  8. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I've never really understood the position of Progress in the Labour party. One can join Progress as a member. But appears to me that everyone denies they are a member if asked. That when asked Lambeth Labour deny Progress has anything to do with them. Yet Progress was in Blair's day highly influential.
  9. brixtonblade

    brixtonblade Well-Known Member

  10. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Can't see much wrong with that. I would have thought the bit about parks would be popular here.

    I happened upon a Labour leaflet in Herne Hill yesterday (though it was quite generic - may be going out in Coldharbour too). Made me feel quite queasy. Pictures of Lambeth Councillors and opposition parliamentary spokespeople who hate each others guts. (Might post later if I find it).
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  11. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    So are Mr Dickson and pals members of the co-operative party? how do they square that with Lambeth's tear-it-down-and-sell-it-to-property-developers approach to local housing?
  12. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills Well-Known Member

    It's a Co-operative Council, innit.

    Progress co-operate with big business and developers.
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  13. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Playing devils advoca byte here.

    There is in New Labour a critique of the top down post war welfare state. Which wasn't particularly democratic and was the state telling one what to do. With the growth of sixties consumerism and individualism in 60s this top down nanny state became out of date. Instead of modernising itself the Labour party stuck to a Statist conception of socialism. Leaving the political space open to Thatcher. Not was Labour supportive on new identities around gender, race and sexualities.

    I actually think the Blairites had a point and still do. If you look at Progress website it's now updating there political positions.

    After all the post welfare state was product of Beveridge (a decent liberal) and the imo awful Fabians.

    I heard Blair on radio few days ago. Thing is he has an intellect. Comes across even if one does not agree with him.

    In the end in practical politics New Labour had nothing to offer the working class. Blair and the Third Way was premised on what they saw as working class as a political subject ending. This hasn't happened.

    Working class has changed but not gone away.

    Blair's projects had a lot to do with not upsetting the middle c!ass and giving them a choice to vote for. Unfortunately that meant alienating swathes of the working class who felt no one represented them any more.

    Heard Ian Duncan Smith on radio recently. He said when he was leader of Tory party when Labour were in power the differences were over policy not ideology. He said now difference are ideological. I think his observation is right. Class is back. Well it never went away.

    Some may find this distasteful. Blair gave sections of middle class a party to vote for that wasn't quite as nasty as Tories. That didn't "put people off" with talk of class.
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  14. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    In name only as far as I can tell - because they don't seem to want to co-operate with their own constituents.
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  15. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

  16. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    It's Ed Davie. He's a cunt. What do you expect?
  17. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Tin hat? You need one made out the same stuff as Captain America's shield, mate! :D
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  18. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Two Cressingham residents standing for the Green Party in Tulse Hill ward.
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  19. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Leaflets from labour and the greens have been coming through the letterbox at quite a rate over the past few days.

    Polling station seemed quite quiet just now.

    The only candidate standing outside was one of the Green Party ones.
  20. shakespearegirl

    shakespearegirl just worked out taglines

    We only had one leaflet through for the Green Party, nothing at all for any of the others
  21. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    Only leaflet we’ve had (Brixton Hill) is Women’s Equality Party.
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  22. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Green party still at it now - on the door buzzer asking if I've voted yet.
  23. Smick

    Smick Strictly Second Class

    I was talking to them this morning. Very nice people although not running in my ward. I would definitely have given them a vote otherwise.
  24. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    not far from you, we had one from Labour and nothing else.
  25. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    How odd. i think we must've had about 15+ leaflets in all (herne hill ward) with several very expensive ones from the greens, in handwritten envelopes.
  26. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    envelopes? will no-one think of the trees?

    Much as I'd like to think this has suddenly become a marginal, I suspect all the activists went off to other wards where their efforts might be more productive.
  27. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Not bothered about increasing the minimum wage, not bothered about the cuts, but at least they care about the women directors of the FTSE100 getting paid fairly. Lovely people.
  28. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    I guess you're same ward as me. Also quite a few from the independent guy, also handwritten envelopes.
  29. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I would have voted for them - the candidate I saw at hustings meetings was very down to earth and sensible.
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  30. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills Well-Known Member

    At the count.

    In answer to the original question: yes.

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