Are Lambeth Labour going to get voted back in in 2018?

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by teuchter, Feb 25, 2018.

  1. Southlondon

    Southlondon The river's there for a reason

    Kate garners a huge amount of support in Vauxhall based on her effective case work and her high levels of community engagement. She has an enormous amount of support within the party locally, which is why she survived her trigger ballot which the blairittes hoped and anticipated would deselect her. It was almost unanimous with only 1 or 2 branches voting against her. An enormous number of party members canvassed with her, the libdems made it a National target seat yet she still massively increased her majority. Brexit was not the main issue on the doorstep, I would say local issues and council related issues came top. The fact that the inept opposition in Lambeth fail to provide an opposition of substance ( the lonely green does a valiant job, but one man and a few Tories can’t cover all the committees of a large authority), kate is seen as the default opposition. The person to turn to when the council needs challenging. She fulfills that role well, and still holds substantial majority support from within Vauxhall party, as will be evidenced the next time the councillors trigger her
     
  2. Southlondon

    Southlondon The river's there for a reason

    You gave up. Appeal now if you choose to rejoin the party, or you’re in danger of sounding like some sort of hand wringing martyr. Of course they tried to keep you out. They did that to thousands of us. But we have a secure left wing leadership now, and a new head of compliance. If you believe in something you fight for it. Your posts suggest you don’t believe in the party and you enjoy your chosen position of arguing for change and criticising from outside. The real battle is within
     
  3. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    Stop talking bullshit. I did appeal. I didn't give up. I am still serving my suspension. What the fuck do you know?
     
  4. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Your suspension must be up by now if it was for 2 years and started in 2015?
     
  5. Southlondon

    Southlondon The river's there for a reason

    I know that plenty of people who the blairittes got suspended fought tooth and bail to get back in to provide internal support for Corbyn. There were left wing barristers available to assist those of us who were finding it an uphill task, and most of us succeeded after a hard fight. I assume you no longer want to be a part of the Labour Party, otherwise you don’t seem to be the sort of person who would give up. It’s easy to criticise from out side , far harder to fight for real change from within.
     
  6. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    Back dated to the time of the appeal.
     
  7. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    Once again - please stop 'assuming' that you know shit about me.
     
  8. Southlondon

    Southlondon The river's there for a reason

    I haven’t claimed to but I have some understanding of the party’s suspension and appeal process- I went through it myself. I mean blimey, even ted knight has managed to still be a party member. Of course, they won’t let people in who openly call for support for opposition parties - why would any party, but beyond that, it’s a secure Corbyn leadership, backed by a supportive NEC, and a brand new head of compliance, so if you did want to try again you might well find your successful. But that would mean abiding by the rules, as it would for any political party or indeed any club or membership organisation. If Corbyn is yo have a chance at the next election, we need a strong and responsive party membership and Corbyn is supportive of that. Blair wanted the opposite. A small disempowered party.
     
  9. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    It's a masterpiece. Humanising. Daddy what do you do all day?
    Then the stats - 70% of 42% of all new homes are at social rent.
    So would that be 18 new homes then?
     
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  10. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I find it difficult to understand why someone would want to belong to a party that suspended them. Labour seem to think they have the right of excommunication like the mediaeval popes. At least the Popes claimed a divine right - what right do these Labour Party officials really have?
     
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  11. Southlondon

    Southlondon The river's there for a reason

    It was the desperate attempts of the blairittes that actiobed the suspensions. My grand parents, parents and I have all been lifetime members. I and many others held firm and fought back, refusing to be driven from our party. the left have finally wrested control of the NEC and that in part was facilitated by returning members who got their suspensions overturned. They no longer control the compliance procedure so bit by bit the left are securing the party with the aim of returning power to the membership.
    Any membership organisation will have rules to be followed, and a mechanism to suspend/revoke membership. This process was abused by the former party executive, and that is being rectified. However there is no party that I know of that would not Sanction members that promote voting for competition over their own candidates. That should always be a red line
     
  12. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    Apart from Lambeth Labour. Former Labour Cabinet member Sally Prentice was a LibDem Cllr in Prince's ward. She not only promoted for voting for competition - she WAS the competition.

    But once she repented her sins then she was swiftly promoted.

    Phew.
     
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  13. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    You neglect to note that Sally Prentice's spiritual director as it were is Roger (Lord) Liddle, himself erstwhile Lib Dem leader on Lambeth Council.

    My own theory on why Sally is so unpopular is nothing to do with politics - she somehow managed in her youth to learn to speak the Queen's English as the Queen speaks it. All this claptrap about revisionist tendencies of the far right order is really a matter of estuary English versus received pronunciation!
     
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  14. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    Whilst Lambeth Labour welcomed ex-LibDem Cllr Prentice with a Cabinet seat, the party wasn't so gracious when one of their own went off in a different direction.

    I'm reminded of the time when Labour's Cllr Betty Evans-Jacas decided that she wasn't cut out for the Third Way nonsense within the party and decided to join the Tories instead.

    Council Leader at the time Steve Reed (remember him?) wasn't happy. He used his personal blog to slag off Betty and reveal details of her personal financial situation. This led to Reed being called up in front of the Standards Sub-Committee.

    The verdict:

    "All councillors and co-opted members to advise on necessary vigilance on tweets and blogs."
     
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  15. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    Meet the candidates!

    ...including the Publisher of the 'independent community newspaper' Lambeth Life, standing in Bishops.

    Which kinda explains the puff piece crap like this.
     
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  16. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I see three wards have vacancies. Or maybe they couldn't afford photos?
     
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  17. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Valete Michelle
    Michelle.jpg
    Seems we are no longer going to have the pleasure of seeing Cllr Michelle Agdomar (through retirement) according to the list posted by Tricky Skills.

    I must admit to a soft spot for Michelle Agdomar. She was another Councillor like Rachel Heywood who was happy enough to turn out for a visitation by the Bishop of Woolwich, or to hear LJAG expound on the virtues of growing your own greens.

    The most surprising thing I found out about Michelle Agdomar was her interest (as a law student) in copyright as applied to geographical foods - e.g. Feta cheese and Champagne which I am given to understand is some kind of French sparkling wine. (I didn't mention Champagne socialism!)
    Feta cheese.JPG
     
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  18. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I have mixed feelings about this - we do not have proportional representation unfortunately so in a one party borough to me it makes sense to combine forces against Mamon rather than dividing the vote
     
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  19. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    Wait, so are Lambeth for Democracy now some sort of party?
     
  20. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    No - they are not registered with the Electoral Commission.

    If Nick Edwards is their candidate, he registered a party called the Herne Hill Community and Libraries Campaign back on 12th September last year. He can stand under the name of a registered party, but not as as Lambeth for Democracy. Rachel Heyward couldn't stand as "Independent Labour" but can stand as Independent: The rules are clear see page 5 of Electoral Commission guidance for candidates:

    • A description – if you want the word ‘Independent’, and/or ‘Annibynnol’ in Wales, to appear on the ballot paper underneath your name, you need to state this on the nomination form. No other descriptions are allowed for candidates who are not standing on behalf of a registered political party. Alternatively, you may choose not to have a description at all by leaving this part of the form blank.
     
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  21. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Posts on Page Two of this thread explains more.

    Basically they are people who formerly were in Green party.
     
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  22. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Quite right. And Nick Edwards election address is in the name of his party.
    Do you expect Rachel to join it - or (if she stands) simply stand as "Independent"?
     
  23. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I'm assuming she will stand as independent. I didn't know one cannot say Independent Labour. That's a real handicap.
     
  24. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I think the rule dates back to this person Richard Huggett - Wikipedia

    Mr Huggestt made a habit of standing in elections using spoof descriptions such as "Liberal Democrat Top Choice for Parliament" when he was in reality a spoiler candidate.

    As far as I know there is nothing to stop Rachel using the description Independent Labour on leaflets, web blogs etc. Its just you can't do it on the ballot paper itself.
     
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  25. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    If Cllr Heywood does decide to stand as an Indie then she would do well to put as much distance between herself and any 'Labour' tag in Lambeth.
     
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  26. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    In case anyone is interested, Lambeth Democracy (which isn't a political party, it says) has been putting a second leaflet out in Herne Hill over Easter.

    This leaflet does not say it is from Nick Edwards - but says it supports Nick Edwards. It also says that Lambeth Labour councillors refused to support Nick's motion for 40%+ social housing in any Lougborough Junction housing development. Which is a bit odd since Nick is not a councillor, and councillors motions have to be introduced by councillors.

    As it happens nominations have not closed, so these glossy leaflets will not have to be accounted for (financially). After Friday April 6th any leaflets supporting "Nick" will have to be on "Nick's" campaign expenses, whether by Nick himself or by "Lambeth Democracy".

    Further point - election leaflets MUST have an imprint, to indicate who is legally responsible (this is the candidate's agent - who also has to submit an account of expenditure)

    I'm pee'd off enough about the Cambridge Analtyica, Vote Leave, Beleave fraud to think we could do without the same crap in Herne Hill. Meanwhile read and admire the Lambeth Democracy contribution to wiping out any viable opposition on the council. Why didn't they do this Thornton Ward where Lib Peck and Ed Davie - two stalwarts of the Progress evil empire could have been called to account?
    Lambeth Democracy1.jpg Lambeth Democracy2.jpg
     
  27. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    And a Brixton Buzz pic has been nicked for use in the leaflet :mad:

    Not a good start.

    With you on Thornton, CH1. Don't forget the third Third Way Musketeer in Jane the Abstain Edbrooke.
     
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  28. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Monkey Boy

    How do I find all the candidates?
     
  29. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

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  30. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Monkey Boy

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