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Are Lambeth Labour going to get voted back in in 2018?

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by teuchter, Feb 25, 2018.

  1. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Good point. And ur right. I'd forgotten he was leader of Council.

    What gets me about some of these Cllrs like Jim is that the political landscape has changed. New Labour "Third Way" is finished.

    I think these New Labour people like Jim think at some point Corbyn will lose poll ratings. I think politicians like Jim would rather the Labour party under left wing leadership lose badly at elections. They don't get it that it's not Corbyn but it what he represents. Ballots on estate "regeneration" are case in point.
     
  2. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    For all the complaining about enforced " monoculture" on the the Brixton Forum "some" posters here should try out the politics forums.

    Right wing trolls like Spam misery wouldn't last on politics forums.
     
  3. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    Michael Groce is standing as a Green in Coldharbour.

    Which is interesting.
     
  4. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    The factional left can cluster around Cressingham all they like, but they've all been told in no uncertain terms that the majority of residents are behind the Green Party, not least because two Cressingham residents (who are also Urbanites) are standing for the Greens.
     
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  5. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    I did choke somewhat when I heard that. I asked my interlocutor "do you mean 'Michael Groce who had connections to Brixton Green?' ". They were a bit dis-chuffed that that particular bit of history hadn't been disclosed to them.
     
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  6. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Labour's newsletters borough-wide are "interesting", in that they avoid taking any responsibility for bad shit (it's all "Tory cuts!" and similar "it wasn't me guv, honest" responsibility-avoidance), and credit-grabbing for virtually anything else they can claim to be associated with. In Herne Hill, as you note, this meant the Carnegie being re-opened before it had working toilets, disabled access or emergency exits, and while construction work was still taking place, plus the unedifying sight of Jim Dickson and Co claiming credit for seeing off Lovebox, when it was actually the masses of Herne Hill and Tulse Hill residents that did that.
     
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  7. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    That's odd.

    This FOI [pdf] suggests a very different view of Lovebox by local Cllr's:

    "A presentation to the local ward Councillors then followed on 20 November and again, MAMA received very positive feedback from them.

    Indeed, MAMA met again with some of the Councillors on 5 December... which received a positive response from most of the Councillors."

    The FOI goes as far as naming Cllr Mary Atkins as the only Councillor who "openly objected."

    But there's plenty to object to regarding Cllr Atkins away from Lovebox.
     
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  8. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    TBF, Greens and Lib-Dems have tried to reach a modus vivendi, but you only need one person on either side to act like a twat, for everything to fail.


    Where *cough* genuine Indie candidates emerge, I really hope that their spirit of independence isn't wiped out by an over-crowded election slate. This is one way to guarantee another one-party borough for the next four years. This isn't good for anyone - including the Progress group who will just retreat up their own arses even further.[/QUOTE]

    The sad thing is that all the fractions and factions see the need for a solid opposition, but everyone thinks THEY have what's needed to be that opposition. In Tulse Hill ward, the three obviously electable parties are Labour, Greens and Lib-Dems, although the Lib-Dems (and I'm sure that brixtonblade will grudgingly :D back me up on this) still Labour under the weight of their poor GE performance, and their local history (everyone who has spent the last 20 years in the borough seems to have a "that Fitchett was a total cunt" story). That leaves Labour and the Greens. Do the Greens have a chance? Only if people look beyond so-called "tribal" voting, and vote on the issues instead, That's issues like:
    • the repayments on a £300 million loan that the children of Lambeth residents have just been landed with (the loan is to realise phase 1 of Lambeth's estate regeneration program a phase that should have meant 275 new social homes, but now means only 34).
    • A bill for "Your New Town Hall" that is now officially twice the original projected cost of £52-54 million, but may reach three time the original, or more - all repayable from the same projected (at a time when the market was higher for rental office space) savings of £4.5 million per year.
    • A £100 million Public Works Loan Board loan to compensate children abused in Lambeth's childrens' homes over the last 50-60 years.
    • The findings of The Peoples' Audit around poor accounting, missing invoices and bad tendering and contracting practices.
    • A £200 million-plus overspend on "Lambeth Housing Standard" works - ironic given the high complaint rate about poor/botched installations.
    If people just roll their eyes at the above, and still vote Labour, then Progress will be laughing. If not, then maybe the habitual smirks of the likes of Matthew Bennett and Ed Davie can be wiped off, like shit from a shoe.
     
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  9. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    I canvassed her for the Greens recently - and Marcia Cameron. :D My comment: "What's up? Don't want to vote for a socialist party?" :D
     
  10. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    She appears to be going to the wire on this, which is actually a good tactic if she is going to stand. Makes it harder for Labour to monster her early on.
     
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  11. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Jim Dickson showing why he's a partner in a Public Relations firm - he shaves every point to make it reflect Lambeth Labour well, and avoids taking responsibility for any of the shit he and his ilk have rained down on us.
     
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  12. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Would you do him a service, and kick his burning teeth out, though? :)

    It does appear to be contempt, given that the grinning arsenugget hadn't given any thought to the physical and mental repercussions of Lambeth Labour's regeneration program.
     
  13. brixtonblade

    brixtonblade Well-Known Member

    The sad thing is that all the fractions and factions see the need for a solid opposition, but everyone thinks THEY have what's needed to be that opposition. In Tulse Hill ward, the three obviously electable parties are Labour, Greens and Lib-Dems, although the Lib-Dems (and I'm sure that brixtonblade will grudgingly :D back me up on this) still Labour under the weight of their poor GE performance, and their local history (everyone who has spent the last 20 years in the borough seems to have a "that Fitchett was a total cunt" story). That leaves Labour and the Greens. Do the Greens have a chance? Only if people look beyond so-called "tribal" voting, and vote on the issues instead, That's issues like:
    • the repayments on a £300 million loan that the children of Lambeth residents have just been landed with (the loan is to realise phase 1 of Lambeth's estate regeneration program a phase that should have meant 275 new social homes, but now means only 34).
    • A bill for "Your New Town Hall" that is now officially twice the original projected cost of £52-54 million, but may reach three time the original, or more - all repayable from the same projected (at a time when the market was higher for rental office space) savings of £4.5 million per year.
    • A £100 million Public Works Loan Board loan to compensate children abused in Lambeth's childrens' homes over the last 50-60 years.
    • The findings of The Peoples' Audit around poor accounting, missing invoices and bad tendering and contracting practices.
    • A £200 million-plus overspend on "Lambeth Housing Standard" works - ironic given the high complaint rate about poor/botched installations.
    If people just roll their eyes at the above, and still vote Labour, then Progress will be laughing. If not, then maybe the habitual smirks of the likes of Matthew Bennett and Ed Davie can be wiped off, like shit from a shoe.[/QUOTE]
    I think those arguments make a dent in persuading people - lots of people comment about the need for the council to be held more to account.

    Im expecting Greens and Lib Dems to target different wards.
     
  14. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    Grim. Not a single council home built (instead, minus 75 achieved in the past year).
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  15. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Bennett should be asked whether he means "council rent" or "council-level rent", as the first means a secure council tenancy, and the second means an assured tenancy (i.e. bugger-all security).
     
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  16. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Quite likely so - but to be realistic it is unlikely that Labour will lose control unfortunately. The best that can be done is to try to get some more opposition councillors elected.

    It seems strange to me that this council has seen rather few by elections. I don't know if you were around in the period 1986 - 1994 but there seemed to be a by election every few months then. At that time dissatisfaction with the Lambeth Labour group was high, and there was incessant news of "council corruption" much of it coming from council officers in official council reports.
    Such an atmosphere led to continual Lib Dem gains (more than half from Streatham wards which had been Conservative). Can't see any scenario like that happening this time round. The officers and councillors are up each others arses as you might say - not a cigarette paper between them.

    The Green Party seems to have taken on board the social housing council estate regeneration issues. I expect the Lib Dems to go on the EU, though I am not in touch with any active Lib Dems in Lambeth currently. I do hope brixtonblade is right that the Greens and Lib Dems will allow each other to target their best prospects.
     
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  17. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    That is the strategy - to produce an opposition of a size that can hold Lambeth Labour and Lambeth Council to account more effectively than the current over-worked 5 opposition cllrs can

    I was around then, and it did seem that there were several by-elections per year. Not surprising really, as a lot of the more avowedly socialist cllrs stood down as Labour became increasingly riven by identity politics.

    As you say, there is a rather repulsive synergy between Labour cllrs and Lambeth officers - a synergy made worse by the confluence of interests that some cllrs and senior officers have.

    TBF, the Greens can't avoid regen - One of their primary target wards is affected, and many of their secondary targets are. I think the Lib-Dems can make a good play on the EU issue in the more affluent wards - certainly a better play than Lambeth Labour can make, given that the current shower can't agree on the subject.
     
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  18. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I thought Green party was pro EU as well. I've heard Caroline Lucas on radio about EU.

    Green Party | Brexit announcement: Greens give voters chance to stay in EU

    It's also an issue for working class in London. Chatting to neighbor yesterday and she was saying Brexit was disaster. All the people I work with are pro EU. Or didn't see it as an issue. Go outside London and it's different. As I found when I went back to my hometown Plymouth.

    So in London it's not just issue for affluent areas.
     
  19. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    In the last few days i’ve received hand-delivered letters from both the Lib Dems and Labour- in the former’s case, with a hand-written address on the envelope to boot- trying to get my vote as a EU citizen by pushing their pro EU-citizens credentials.

    Even though I’m under no illusions about how little the Lib Dems have in common with left wing policies, i’m actually tempted to vote for them. Partly because Labour in Lambeth are a disgrace, and partly because i’m still extremely fucking angry about Brexit and the Lib Dems have been the only mainstream party to fully represent my views on the issue. Not that it will make any difference of course...
     
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  20. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Greens aren't whipped, so candidates are free to hold whatever views they choose, within the general scope of mainstream party politics. I've probably met a greater number of committed socialists in the Greens, than I have in Labour, at least in Lambeth. :( Most Greens, however, tend to be pragmatic enough to go where the electorate wants, and that's pro-EU in London, and in many urban constituencies in the SE.
     
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  21. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    I've been recommending to people to look at the previously by-election votes, and GE votes for their ward, to see who came out 2nd-best. That's usually a good indicator of where to place your vote, if you aren't a tribal Labour or Tory voter.
     
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  22. buscador

    buscador culturally dominant

    I was told today that she is going to stand and that the Greens will only put two candidates in that ward.
     
  23. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    I'm glad to hear it. I'd heard that the Greens and Lib-Dems were trying to reach an accord - both parties believe that Cllr Heywood is worth stepping aside for - but you can bet that Lambeth Labour will swamp the ward with canvassers, and quite possibly use the same tactics they did in the Gipsy Hill by-election 2 years ago, which was to ask voters to vote for anyone except candidate X. In Gipsy Hill they asked people to vote for anyone but the Green candidate, Pete Elliot (who despite everything came within 18 votes of winning the seat), and in Coldharbour, Labour will undoubtedly ask people not to vote for Rachel.
     
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  24. happyshopper

    happyshopper Well-Known Member

    Hardly surprising that Labour would ask people not to vote for someone standing as an independent. And I don't think that most Labour activists in Lambeth, many of whom have some sympathy with Rachel, will be that concerned about one seat in one ward. They are more set on working to help take control in Wandsworth and Westminster.
     
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  25. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    While they may - probably by a whisker - manage Wandsworth, Westminster is going to be a difficult proposition, given the usual amount of expensive unofficial campaigning done by Tory sympathisers for previous local elections.
    I kind of disagree about Rachel, though. Lambeth's Progress tendency see her as a very visible thorn in their side - a scar on their pretence to omnipotence - and they fulminate about her at length. Activists are one thing, but our Progress cllrs and their enablers? They're another thing altogether.
     
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  26. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    The thing about Cllr Heywood is that she knows where the Progress bodies are buried.

    If you see what I mean...
     
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  27. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member


    Rachel has worked hard for her constituents over the years. And really cares about people.

    Yes that's ordinary people not getting the Labour party machine reelected.
     
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  28. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    In fact I know ordinary Labour party members who won't be voting Labour in Lambeth as it's so right wing.
     
  29. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I wish my doctor was like her.
     
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  30. stethoscope

    stethoscope Well-Known Member

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